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The point of furries? Was that your question? A better one is "whats the point of dragons? Or otherkin? or religion?" The list can go on forever. The point is that furries are furries becuase its a life choice that they feel fits them, same as otherkin. To spread hate for something that you don't actually understand is dangerous. I came into this topic hoping to find DISCUSSION instead I find hate posts from people who have a PERCEIVED notion of what I furry is.

Most furries do not believe they are animals. This is a vast minority. Those of us with dragon fursonas don't think we're actually dragons. I'm angelkin, we've established that. But my Fursona is a dragon becuase hey, maybe I like dragons. Is that a crime? I find this topic highly ironic actually, as in most places otherkin are considered the "furries" of the new age community. We get berated and put down all the time, so why do it to another group that isn't harming anyone?
The furry fandom has a wide range, just as the anime fandom. Yet all of them are grouped under one name. Furry ecompasses those who are fans of anthropomorphic animals, as well as the furverts, just as "otaku" can mean someone who every now and then watches something, all the way up to the narutards who go out in costume at any time.

Now, being a fan of an anthro animal is no different from being a fan of dragons. Both are "make-believe", after all. And if someone wants to wear a costume to a convention, so what? I cosplay at anime cons, intend to cosplay at xena-con next year, and might even consider costuming if I ever go to furcon. It's fun, it's silly, it's like getting to be a kid again.

Finding a lack of point in liking anthro animals means you should find a lack of point in us liking dragons.
All I have left to say without making a total --- of myself is this: I have an overly inflated sense of honor. I won't reply to anything else in this thread.
i WAS gonna post my opinions, but they got too offensive. so it went up on my LJ, out of the eyes of the general public, so that my thoughts and feelings on the topic didn't start a war in the thread.

1) I don't like the community
2) They probably think i'm a hypocrite, but i don't give a flying fornication what they think, and they should care about what i think either.

one thing's for damn sure. I'm not a furry, my Kinship has nothing to do with that subculture whatsoever, and when people try to tell me otherwise, it makes me want to hit them in the face with a live alligator. twice.
i'm done with this subject.
Deros Wrote:All I have left to say without making a total --- of myself is this: I have an overly inflated sense of honor. I won't reply to anything else in this thread.

Ditto.
Maybe it was because I got introduced to furries through a really sweet, and quiet room-mate who is a fairly popular artist in the community, but my main impression is "Anthro animals look cool". Some of the most moving and spiritual art I have ever seen is anthro in nature. And I see no point in actively disliking a fandom that is harmless at its core. It would be no different than me disliking people who are fans of the show Friends... just because I disliked that show greatly.

I do undestand, however, how annoying it can be to have ones draconity or therianism be labeled as a furry. It trivializes and marginlises it. It makes it something easily dismissed as pure fantasy. It makes it hard for us to get taken seriously.

However, even without that subculture, the same would still be said. We're still called insane, delusional, over imaginative. It isn't because of furries, it's because our beliefs are *weird*. Truly they are. They're borderline bizzare. Thus, placing 'blame' on the furry fandom is pointless.
There are good apples and bad apples in every community. Unfortunately, as with most communities, it's the bad ones that get attention. People like Zeriara and Prince Oliver come to mind.

Prince, maybe you can explain things to me more clearly. How does one choose a fursona? Why is a fursona necessary? I remember pretending to be a kitten or a puppy when I was about five or six, but a lot of the furry art I've seen depicts anthropomorphic hybrids, which strikes me as different from pretending to be a kitten. (I even remember putting my cereal on the floor once or twice and eating it without hands . . . but . . . that's the kind of thing kids do. I outgrew it.)

So I guess what I'm saying is that lots of people like things, and even like them very much. I like Renaissance Faires, for example, but I they certainly aren't a part of my everyday life. A lot of furries I've encountered insist that they are their fursonas, or that their fursonas represented their true selves. I don't see a lot of Ren Faire folks insist that being Tudor represents their true selves. I think a lot of the persecution furries deal with arises from the size, loudness, and number of divergent beliefs present in the community. In the United States, we live in a very conservative world, with a very liberal underbelly. Of course tensions are going to arise. I know that not all furries are furverts, but it's the furverts who are the loudest and the most showy about expressing their beliefs. The same thing could be said for the Kin community (thank goodness for Lupa's lovely, level-headed book - that did a lot for us, I believe) and the vamp community (Father Todd anyone? - although Michelle Belanger has done a great job of explaining the community and casting it in a more positive and realistic light.) Maybe the furry community needs an advocate like that.

If you'd like to start a thread discussing the furry community, I'd be interested in participating in the discussion.

All that said, I apologize for the off topic post. However, tempers are starting to run hot. It's just opinions people. Everyone is entitled to their own. If you get offended by what someone says, all you're doing is giving that person power to control how you feel. Let 'em believe what they believe. As long as their belief doesn't include stabbing you in the eye, does it really matter all that much? I would think that if someone is making your community look bad, doing what you can to make your community look better would be a much more viable first step than trying to strangle the other person.
Sahra Wrote:Prince, maybe you can explain things to me more clearly. How does one choose a fursona? Why is a fursona necessary? I remember pretending to be a kitten or a puppy when I was about five or six, but a lot of the furry art I've seen depicts anthropomorphic hybrids, which strikes me as different from pretending to be a kitten. (I even remember putting my cereal on the floor once or twice and eating it without hands . . . but . . . that's the kind of thing kids do. I outgrew it.)

How does one choose a fursona?

Usually a fursona is as simple as your favorite animal but they can be chosen several different ways. Like choosing a tatoo, a fursona should take a little though only unlike a tatoo its not permanent. I made mine based on a few things. I did my best to choose something that resembled my physical features like body type and facial features. I kinda have a birdy nose, so my fursona actually has a beak. I have purple hair because that's my favorite color, I used to want to dye my hair that color when I was in high school. A Fursona should say a little bit about your tastes.

Why is a fursona nessisary?

It isn't, that's a big point I'm trying to make. For many furry artsits and people into it its just a fun avatar thing. No deep meaning, no huge symbolism, nada. Its just "hey I really like green dragons, I'll make my fursona a green dragon" that's IT. And I know many people who have changed thiers or have multiple fursonas. Its not as serious and weird as people think.

Looks we have a lot of weirdos in furryness but not everyone is! To say you wakt to nuke a convention is a bit offensive to those who aren't as extreme but are still a part of the community.

Here is my Furaffinity if anyone is interested. No porn, sorry:
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Prince Wrote:
Deros Wrote:
Prince Wrote:2.) If you had to guess, why do you think people with the opposite opinion of yours think that way?

Because everyone needs something to put down in order to make themselves feel better.

<!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> Perhaps you could describe the point in furriness for those of us who apparantly feel glee in knocking other people down? Besides the possibility of the public humiliation of all dragons by a really overdone costume, that's my main problem with the idea.

Thanks for proving my point by throwing an insult in there. Why are costumes so offensive? Some people who create scale suits do it becuase they like dragons that much, I was even thinking of making a dragon suit of my own fursona Temujin. Does puff the magic dragon offend you too? How about "dragon riders" or Erigon? How about balloon floats or simple dragon haloween costumes? Dragons are in pop culture whether you or any other dragon likes it or not, I don't see why flurries don't have a right to use the image just like anyone else does. Besides most of the hard core fur suiters are FURRIES as in dogs, wolves, foxes and etc. I've actually yet to see a dragon fur suit.

The costumes isn't something I find offensive. It's the whole "don't you think this looks awesome!" and being shown a pic of a furry porn for the 50th time after I keep repeatedly saying I'm not into furry stuff that gets annoying/offensive. It all goes back to my mantra of "I don't care if you live in a bubble, just don't force me to live in it with you."

Yes, I may be hooking up with a furry (ahh, universe - you have such a great sense of humor). However, she is one of the few sane ones I've encountered. I don't care that she has a fetish that I don't have. She doesn't try imposing her sexual fetishes upon me (a good thing considering we're not in a sexual relationship at this time). I have no problems with furries, it's when they try to convert me or insist on constantly showing me their weird crap that it gets annoying/offensive.

As for fursuits... I just think that's fricken weird. As with anything that is outside established social parameters for what is normal, it will be mocked.
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