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the illusion of black and white
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the illusion of black and white
(as always, insert "personal opinion" and "no offense" disclaimer here.)


in another forum, i just stumbled over the concept of "black" and "white" magic. however, that concept is like a red rag to me.

what is "black" and "white"? good and evil? then go ahead and define good and evil for me. and even if you say that black magic is the one that influences others or gives you an unfair advantage - you'll always have the latter, and the first too in most cases. that's because nobody can control magic in an exact manner, there will always be unknown factors. you usually focus on the result, after all, not on the exact way the spell will work.

that is why i consider it plain stupid to insist on being a "white mage" or that certain practices are "black". that's like saying: either you're human or you're another creature. you look like a human, smell like one and talk like one, so you are one - period. every otherkin will refuse that claim!

we all move in shades of gray. in every aspect of life. of course you can try to live a "good" life, or let's say, to stick to your own moral concepts. you can try not to harm anyone with your magical practices - but even a small innocent success spell for yourself might prevent someone else from getting a job.

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2010-04-21 11:48
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Re: the illusion of black and white
I have to agree whole heartedly, the concepts I believe are based on hype and on myths.

Consider many stories of those practicing "good" magic as opposed to those Demonized by religious foundations (the need to make an exception because basically anything in pagan or magical practice was demonized). Same basic concept there.

The only truth in magic is action reaction... if you exert your will towards something, and a response happens, there has been an action and a reaction. All else is semantics.

Malice can make any act, noble or less than, become what we would call "evil," but again that is all based on opinion.

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2010-04-21 18:17
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Re: the illusion of black and white
I agree. I sometimes refer to magic in terms of color going by a traditional system, but that just makes it easier in general to talk to people in the pagan community and have them know what you mean without lengthy explanations.


Magic, as in all things that are often perceived in extremes, is subjective. Period.

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2010-04-21 21:38
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Re: the illusion of black and white
One man's good is another man's evil.

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2010-04-21 22:28
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Re: the illusion of black and white
Black and white.
The thing about black and white is that nothing is black and white. As metaphorical terms they are useless.
No definition of "black" magic will ever be so specific it can not apply to white magic in one way or another, and vice versa. There is no "black and white".
In almost every either-or situation, there's potential for neither/both.

I believe the use of the terms is more for the sake of people feeling better, or more "awesome", about their magical practices, than anything else.

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2010-04-22 12:56
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Re: the illusion of black and white
Miniar Wrote:I believe the use of the terms is more for the sake of people feeling better, or more "awesome", about their magical practices, than anything else.

I agree. They might be afraid that people will speak up against them if they go public, so they state that they are "the good ones", i.e. no danger.

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2010-04-22 13:43
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Re: the illusion of black and white
I meant that more as how they want to feel about themselves, not as a mention of what they'll do to protect themselves from what others will feel about 'em.

As in. "I only use White magic." allows you to think you're a really "good" guy.
And "I'm a black magician!" allow you to think you're really "kick ass".

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2010-04-24 20:45
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Re: the illusion of black and white
Miniar Wrote:I meant that more as how they want to feel about themselves, not as a mention of what they'll do to protect themselves from what others will feel about 'em.

As in. "I only use White magic." allows you to think you're a really "good" guy.
And "I'm a black magician!" allow you to think you're really "kick ass".

*nod* Or vague hand-waving about what they expect from others. The local Newage store states very firmly if the subject comes up that they are white magic only, and only white magic is tolerated there - which is so very Newage in our experiences, but might as well be said, "This is a space for magic that is only done for the good of yourself and others. Check the manipulation and hurting at the door."

Wordier, but I like accuracy, you know?

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2010-04-29 18:44
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