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So, is telepathy the ability to push thoughts into others heads as a way of communication?
That's how it seems to be for me. What is your definition of it? And what is your way of doing it?

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2009-07-28 23:30
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Re: telepathy
Telepathy is yet another "ability" I don't consider possible at this time, due to an overwhelming lack of documented accounts/evidence.
I could easily set up an experiment to check if it were possible but as of yet, no telepathic person has agreed to participate, which adds more reason for me to disbelieve the claims.

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2009-07-29 10:02
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I said before in earlier posts we may all be mad...

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2009-07-29 16:03
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Re: telepathy
Oh…well I’ve not practiced in a very long long …long time , but yes I’m very familiar with it and was actually really quite apt at one time …

Like all psychic ability’s …its like a muscle , the more you use it , the more powerful it becomes and the less you use it the harder it becomes …

Like all things practice makes perfect …

Ok… get four bits of card , draw on them four shapes , get a close friend …this is important , it has to be someone you feel completely at ease with , have this close friend sit in front of you and picture one of the images in their mind , and just take turns sending and receiving images , when you get used to the four cards , add in another four …and then another and another …

that’s basically how you learn telepathy …

It should be noted though that telepathy is a hard gift to learn , you’ll have to face the fact that some people just cant do it while others are quite good and pick it up quickly …I suppose its just like any other gift in that sense .

Telepathy isn’t this all powerful ability to read every thought and emotion in a person or be able to issue mental commands and have them do whatever you like …

For a start you cant “push” into a mind …anybody who says they can is frankly lying , simple as that , you can be “allowed” in , basically what I’m saying is that even a 3 year old could block out a strong telepath if they wanted to.

Think of the minds defences as a giant rotor blade …

When a person is fully alert…or even angry or upset , the rotor blade is spinning so fast it basically acts like a wall…

When a person is relaxed , the rotor blade spins much slower , leaving gaps big enough for you to enter .

When a person opens their mind to you , they unconsciously slow down the rotor blade , allowing you to enter , but they can still block themselves off at any time .

So it basically works like this , relaxed or happy , calm or peaceful …you can enter , alert , defensive…in fact any strong negative emotion and the mind automatically shuts itself off …basically meaning you cant enter .

Mental commands …ooh…sounds so cool , getting people to do stuff right?

Sorry its not that simple , mental commands can be given , but only in the form of natural suggestion .

You cant order somebody to give you all their money , the simple reason is that such an idea would be completely alien to a persons mind , and the mind / brain / whatever wouldn’t react to it .

Wake up , sleep , stop , commands like this tend to work because they’re already in the system …so to speak , its something a persons mind is already used to , so they would react to it if its given properly .

Oh and you cant order parts of the body …like a heart to stop or anything like that , what your basically doing is issuing suggestions , your not directly putting someone to sleep , your giving their mind that suggestion , from then on its all their own doing , they effectively put themselves to sleep , you just gave them the idea .

Telepathy however can get a bit …intrusive .

Your own mind can wander ..and does , we all do it , however when your used to telepathy , you can wander right into someone else’s head without even realising it .

Now look , this might not sound like such a big deal but it is , in fact it can be quite frightening for people .

One example I’ll cite here , one night at my house , a mate of mine was getting ready to leave for home for the evening and we where just chatting , all of a sudden I burst out laughing and turn to him and say “ man that’s sick “

He didn’t say anything …for a moment he just looked at me puzzled , finally he asked what I was laughing about and I repeated his joke ( Jesus trying to catch a marble ) , his face went pale and I had realised what I had done …so I made light of it and quickly changed the subject , but it was easy to see how shaken he was .

Telepathy might sound like an impossibility to some people , but the simple fact is its not …

To get right down to the bare bones of it , on the surface it might sound harmless or even a bit of fun , its not , like it or not , people keep their thought private for a reason …in some ways telepathy is the ultimate intrusion , people can react to it very badly , because they can be left feeling exposed or even violated , its not something to muck around with .

Now from what I’ve told you here , this is just , my experience as a short range ( line of sight ) telepath , I know there are more powerful telepaths out there who can do a lot more than I can , to be honest I really don’t know what the limits are …


As for scientific tests …proving the existence of telepathy ?

I wouldn’t do it , even at the very top of my game ..I still wouldn’t do it , how do you think people would react to a person who can read minds ? One half of the people would be amazed and always asking “can you read my thoughts ?” the other half would be terrified.

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2009-07-29 16:40
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Re: telepathy
telepathy is strong within my family, there would be too many "coincidences" otherwise. it does have negative side effects though - at the same time my grandmother died, i collapsed at an underground station.

i remember how my father and i used to practice when i was a kid. i'd take 4 to 6 cards and shuffle them, my father would then tell me where each card was. we also tried it the other way around but i've always been better at "sending". which is a great thing if you use it to implant ideas into someone else's mind. for instance, if you want to be picked for a vocab test by the latin teacher after studying a bit. kept me from getting picked when i didn't know a thing. <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->

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kahoku Wrote:we also tried it the other way around but i've always been better at "sending". which is a great thing if you use it to implant ideas into someone else's mind. for instance, if you want to be picked for a vocab test by the latin teacher after studying a bit. kept me from getting picked when i didn't know a thing. <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->

JDRage says you can't command people to do things, despite that, I also seem to be able to implant ideas into peoples minds...

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skorpio Wrote:
kahoku Wrote:we also tried it the other way around but i've always been better at "sending". which is a great thing if you use it to implant ideas into someone else's mind. for instance, if you want to be picked for a vocab test by the latin teacher after studying a bit. kept me from getting picked when i didn't know a thing. <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->

JDRage says you can't command people to do things, despite that, I also seem to be able to implant ideas into peoples minds...

And how, exactly, did you go about testing and confirming that?

I'm on the fence about telepathy only because I don't know anything other than it's mind-to-mind communication. I don't need to know much else, though, to be sure that implanting ideas into someone and influencing them to do what you want is just wrong. It's a terrible violation of that person's rights. Maybe JDRage says it's not possible because he knows it's wrong and thus that prevents him from doing so.

Telepathy is 1) Extremely difficult to accurately confirm (I'm sorry, but 4 - 6 cards does not impress me, try the whole deck, then two, and get back to me) and 2) so incredibly close to ripping away basic human rights that I frankly don't think it should be used at all. Assuming the ability truly exists, it's one of the easiest methods to so invade and violate a person beyond their protection and even without their knowledge. It can easily become mental rape.

Sure, consented telepathic communication between two people who are able to both "send" as well as block communication is fine, as long as they don't force each other. If someone says, "Enough" then the telepathic conversation is done and you should use your voice box again. But influencing your English teacher not to call on you because you didn't know your stuff is cheating and rude. Implanting ideas into people is, as I've said, a horrific act and I shudder to think anyone here who I've come to respect has done such a thing.

Telepathy is one of those abilities, also, that has been desensitized by movies like X-Men. Once again assuming it's actually occurring, it's not as A-Okay as it seems to be portrayed on this thread and in conversations regarding telepathy I've participated in.

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*** Mental commands …ooh…sounds so cool , getting people to do stuff right?

Sorry its not that simple , mental commands can be given , but only in the form of natural suggestion .

You cant order somebody to give you all their money , the simple reason is that such an idea would be completely alien to a persons mind , and the mind / brain / whatever wouldn’t react to it .

Wake up , sleep , stop , commands like this tend to work because they’re already in the system …so to speak , its something a persons mind is already used to , so they would react to it if its given properly .***

Ok…I’ll try and keep this short , skorpio I think …Is mistaking the idea of suggestion with command , in essence telepathy can work the same as hypnosis where it comes to commands , though telepathy works on a more direct level …as I’ve said , you cannot force your way into a mind and you cannot force a mind to do something it wouldn’t normally do …

Kahoku’s description is quite reasonable…

Amourosa…the four cards are just a starting point , there’s much more involved , I’m describing how you learn telepathic control , its like learning to walk before you run .

Are you sure you’ve not had experience with telepathy yourself ?…no don’t answer that .

I will say you seem to have a very deep understanding of it , I fully agree with you , I think we can both understand that its not all fun and games and that it can have some very deep ramifications , you’ve brought up some excellent points and like I say I fully agree with you …

Telepathy just isn’t something to be taken lightly …and as for myself , I’m still relatively safe saying I’m a telepath here , people can choose to believe me or not …as I only mention it as part of this discussion , to the outside world , I’d rather nobody know …

I give my word in saying I’ve never used my gift irresponsibly…and I’m ok now anyway as I’ve haven’t properly used it in years , but I’d never use it to harm anybody .
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Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound so rant-like. I am a major ethics junkie and I've found my code to be a bit stricter than most others and I'm still learning self-control when they clash. I intend to explore the idea of telepathy--which I believe, in my little world, is definitely a possibility based on some articles I've read--but it's very tricky treading, according to my ethics code.

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Telepathy has been tested and good results have been documented. However, telepathy, like any form of communication is not perfect. The receiver can get it wrong, for example. And no, telepathy is not "pushing" thoughts into a person's mind. Seen the movie "Push" have we? <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

It is more...transmitting a signal to another. If they're open they may pick up on it. If not, they might miss it. And again, the receiver can misinterpret what is being projected. If I send someone a message of where I am. I project to them a gas station by a railroad crossing on the corner of Main St. Now, say they don't understand what I mean or I'm not very clear in my intention to project. What they may pick up is, a train station on a main street.

My telepathy works like this...I'm like a antennae...I pick up on the various thoughts going on around me. Most of the time it's "white noise" but occasionally someone comes in loud and clear, like we're on the same channel. (No, it's not audible like a locution...the thought goes in through my brain and emotions and gets translated into words.) In those instances it's quite interesting. I'm also naturally sensitive to people's emotions. This, combined with telepathy, creates moments of precognition.

Of course you can see that because human beings can change in an instant, many people would discredit my abilities altogether and say it's just coincidence that I knew certain things were going to happen or what they were thinking about. Yes. It appears that way. But...I know better because it happens inside of me. And too, I'm not looking for anyone to believe me. In fact, my moments of precognition happen moments before the "event" and so I can't do much about it anyways.

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