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friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
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friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
normally i wouldn't post "halp pweaze!!!!111" topics, but this one is vital...

a good friend of mine can do astral projecting naturally. i somewhat envy him for that since i've been trying for years now without ever making it out. but now he has the opposite problem: he has trouble staying in. it goes so far that he walks on the street, and suddenly he realizes he's out of his body... with the body lying several yards behind him on the ground. he just falls out of it randomly.

the only thing i could tell him was grounding, but it doesn't help much. he also doesn't have a lot of experience with energy work, i'm desperately trying to help him by teaching him the basics (and he is desperately trying to learn), but nothing has worked against this problem yet. he is scared to go out because he could lose his body again in some dangerous place.

does anybody know what to do in such a case? or perhaps someone knows who to ask, or another forum... my friend and i will be grateful for any kind of input.

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2009-03-10 2:03
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Re: friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
I will have to go with the typical "Get thee to a doctor" reply. Passing out uncontrollably is bad.

On the shamanic side of things, the advice usually runs along the lines of 'learn how to do it on purpose so you won't keep doing it accidentally.'

Hmmm...I guess I lost that link that Archer put up previously about astral projecting.

Edit: Found it:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65">http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65</a><!-- m -->

Edit2: sorry, that link doesn't work anymore

Edit3: updated link
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/astral-projection/index.html">http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... index.html</a><!-- m -->

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2009-03-10 2:06
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Re: friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
he does know how to do it on purpose.

is it really passing out if you get out of your body? i mean, normally passing out would be losing your consciousness, not just standing there looking at the body to your (astral) feet. and with all the other things happening... him seeing his astral arm next to his normal etc... i don't think it's a physical thing, but you're right, i'll ask him to look into it.

thanks!

edit: this sounds great: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/astral-projection/part-8.html#2">http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... t-8.html#2</a><!-- m --> i hope it'll help.

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2009-03-10 2:10
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Re: friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
kahoku Wrote:is it really passing out if you get out of your body? i mean, normally passing out would be losing your consciousness, not just standing there looking at the body to your (astral) feet. and with all the other things happening... him seeing his astral arm next to his normal etc... i don't think it's a physical thing, but you're right, i'll ask him to look into it.

Could be a form of depersonalization - but we'll see about that when he's had some practice trying to control it, I imagine.

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2009-03-10 2:51
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Re: friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
I have a hypothesis on this. Assuming he's been to a doctor and everything checks out, try doing some protection work for him against outside intruders and see if that doesn't help. Perhaps he's not simply falling out, if he knows how to control it as you say he does, perhaps he's being pushed out.
2009-03-10 12:26
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Re: friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
i don't think he is being pushed out. he is tied to his body very loosely - he can see his astral arms when clinging to something and pulling, for instance. he vibrates in situations where he isn't relaxed at all. i mean, perhaps something is taking advantage of this state, but there is no evidence. he can see entities around him, but none of them seems to push him. i'll tell him to watch out for this though.

i will forward all your answers to him, thank you so much.

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2009-03-10 12:43
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Re: friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
Get him to check out Astral Dynamics in detail - but the OOBE information, and the energy work information.

What does it look like to an observer? He's walking along then he freezes or falls over? What happens when he slips out of his body while driving, crossing the road, or doing anything else potentially dangerous?

(These questions are very relevant for several reasons. Most obviously, if he only pops out at "convenient" times, he may well be faking it either consciously or unconsciously. More interestingly though, if this is genuine and he only pops out of his body when it's safe, then on some level he is controlling it and with the right kind of practice he can therefore learn to control it.)

Oh and - if absolutely NOTHING works, get him to get in touch with Robert Bruce (the guy who wrote Astral Dynamics). If necessary your friend can even astral over to him for a direct conference. I can almost guarantee that he knows a hell of a lot more about projection than anyone on this board.

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2009-03-10 13:47
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It used to happen to me when I was like 15? For a couple of weeks anyway. I just sort of grew out of it.
2009-03-10 14:23
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Re: friend needs help AGAINST astral projecting!
Archer Wrote:Get him to check out Astral Dynamics in detail - but the OOBE information, and the energy work information.

will do, thanks!

Quote:What does it look like to an observer? He's walking along then he freezes or falls over?

as far as i know, nobody has ever seen him, or at least he didn't tell me. i'll ask him.

Quote:What happens when he slips out of his body while driving, crossing the road, or doing anything else potentially dangerous?

he is terribly afraid that could happen... at the moment he barely leaves his house.

Quote:Oh and - if absolutely NOTHING works, get him to get in touch with Robert Bruce (the guy who wrote Astral Dynamics). If necessary your friend can even astral over to him for a direct conference. I can almost guarantee that he knows a hell of a lot more about projection than anyone on this board.

<!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> awesome idea! i hope robert will be available. thanks a ton!

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2009-03-10 15:11
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If no-one has seen this happen and it's just your friend's word, and it is seriously interfering with his ability to carry out day to day activities (eg attending school or work) - then it you should also be considering that it isn't actually happening but he has some kind of mental problem.

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