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What is a Raksha?
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What is a Raksha?
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I've come to the conclusion from this thread that Raksha and Rakshasa are different kintypes. I apologize for all the hoopla caused by my ignorance on this subject.

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This discussion is comprised almost entirely of metaphysical discussion. While it is easy to think that what is being presented is being presented as fact, it is ultimately only personal theories.

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I had thought about making an article describing the Raksha. However, that would be rather pompous of me to claim to know a race while I'm still comparing notes with others myself. So I felt a discussion thread would be best especially since this is a popular request apparently. Since Raksha share demonic characteristics, I felt it fitting to put this in the demon forum. I kinda spilled my guts to Faite via IM, so I'll sort through the chat log to compose a FAQ/list of facts.

Rakshasa = Raksha?
Yes. However, the mythological accounts of our race should not be taken excessively literally (or even symbolically). The Raksha were very anal about ensuring humans wouldn't worship them as gods. As a result, they like being portrayed as evil (to keep humans from worshiping them) but not so evil that crazy humans worship them.

Are there other names for the race?
Yes, Rakshani and Rakshini. These are essentially just different conjugations of the word Raksha in the language used by the Raksha. You will see me randomly hop among these words. I'm still referring to the same race regardless of the term I'm using.

How do you know if you're Raksha?
Do you or did you ever think your true name to be Raksha? If yes, then you probably are Raksha. If no, that doesn't preclude you from being Raksha. I believe this to derive from the fact that Raksha practically use the name of their race as their primary identifier to other races. For example, if another race was to hire the Raksha to do something, they would address a member of the team simply as "Raksha."

What form do Raksha take?
The Raksha are energy beings and shape shifters. However, they do tend to gravitate towards a single form as their primary form. The form basically looks like an elf with some wings on it. Raksha, like Inari, can make the wings appear or disappear as they see fit. The Raksha use the wings as a sort of heat sink for emotion, using this appendage to vent negative emotion (such as frustration). The wings can be used for actual flight, but levitation is the preferred method of flight. Raksha apparently also have tails, though I personally have never sensed this particular phantom limb.

Not all Raksha initially sense themselves in this form. As they are energy beings and shapeshifters, other forms are also possible. Physical form alone isn't exactly a great way of identifying a Raksha as the Inari are biologically identical as far as I know.

I commissioned an artist to draw an image of my true form. I will post it somewhere on these forums when she gets it scanned <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->.

Genders
Like Inari, there are 4 genders: Male, Female, Both and Neither. However, things get a bit weird as far as genders go. All of those genders are able to bear children. This can be an issue for males who don't have an obvious exit point for such lifeforms <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->. Yay, portals!

Males and Females are essentially gender reversed in terms of gender characteristics. As human males are typically the highly aggressive gender, Rakshani Females are the typically aggressive gender instead. You can extrapolate from there <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->. Of course, this can lead to much confusion among Raksha incarnated as Humans about their own sexuality.

Amoury
Males are monogamous/monoamourous, Females are polyamourous/polygamous.

Sex
Sex among the Raksha is very aggressive. Untrained observers cannot discern sexual foreplay (and sex) from combat. There's lots of pinning, throwing, pouncing and lots of extremely aggressive physically intensive action involved.

Sexuality
Raksha seem to be willing to discuss sex openly as well as engage in much foreplay. As for doing the deed, not so much. Hmm, maybe that explains our relative lack of population?

Politics
Recently, Rakshani military leaders encouraged the Rakshani council to go into battle since they decided to start a war with the Inari. So we had our little battle with the Inari, the Inari surrendered and the Rakshani council was killed in battle. Now that the old farts were dead, many political reforms came about that lead to many improvements for the overall Rakshani society. One example is that being a "half-breed" was no longer illegal and punishable by eternal punishment.

Punishment
Raksha are great with energy work and healing. This is particularly useful for torturing beings indefinitely. Killing is only done when done as a matter of having mercy on someone's existence or when absolutely necessary. If you see Raksha killing people... run far away!

Technology
Raksha have a good understanding of technology but choose to be more natural. They wear natural-ish clothing when on missions. Their buildings appear to just be carved out of a mountainside and feel subterreanean.

Homeworld
The City of the Raksha is the only thing I can think of that comes close to a homeworld. There is a city inhabited by Raksha and pretty much not much else on that planet as far as I know. Raksha can also be found on the planet A'cadia, also inhabited by Inari.

Military
The only Raksha I ever encountered that didn't serve in some sort of military capacity was being tortured for being a halfbreed under the old council laws. At this time, I do not believe there to be a civilian Rakshani population. Keep in mind, military has a broad implication here. It can be anything from training to serve in battle, being in battle but most often meant exploring territory and collecting information.

Weapons
Energy is the primary weapon (duh, energy beings <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->) but swords are a frequent primary "physical" weapon.

That's all I can think of at this time (in no particular order), if I think of anything else, I'll add it.

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This is amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time to post it.

One of the things that always "gets" me with the Kin community is that people seem almost scared to get into detail with what they remember. I think they worry about being judged and about the "fluff" label. Personally, I think many of us remember a lot more than we let on, maybe even to the detriment of the community.

At any rate, this is terrific material. I'll discuss more with you tomorrow, after the gin has worn off. <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->

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Disclaimer: This is blatant copypasta from another post I just made - but it's the exact same content either way, so I'm not re-typing it.

Not meaning any offense, but I general tend towards a little more scrutiny of kin with extensive and elaborate backstory of their kintype.

How did you find all this information?
Did you check this information in any way for accuracy, and if so, how?
How many memories related to this information have you had yourself, and under what circumstances did you remember/uncover them?
How much of this was related to you by another person?

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EDIT: Note, this does not constitute me calling you a fluff in any way, as you were worried. I am actually and honestly interested in answers to these questions.

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Thanks for this post.
The categorical layout is great and makes it easy to read and its interesting reading up on a different kin type in detail.
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2008-01-14 17:12
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Re: What is a Raksha?
There are some clear and obvious contradictions with what I know of my kin and what you write. I'll write up my own "long list of thingies" later on.
WIth the help of someone who keeps my spelling and grammar and temper in check...

Either way. What you describe is closer description of a later "generation" of the Rakshasa.

Also, last time I checked, Inari is a name of a race of elves.

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Kreyas Wrote:However, that would be rather pompous of me to claim to know a race while I'm still comparing notes with others myself.
You may also find it useful to trade notes with Gesigeswigu's on the subject, if you have not already then. He's the only one I know of that has written rather extensively on the subject of Rakshasa, and has even been published in a book with mentioning Rakshasa (See "Field guide to Otherkin" page 196-197 by Lupa). And has been rather exploring not only his memories in depth, but also the mythology around them in a very in depth manner.

Quote:Since Raksha share demonic characteristics
What characteristics are universally "demonic", and which of these characteristics do you assert the Rakshasa possess out of the list of demonic characteristics. This statement seems particularly out of place, since there seems to be a undertone of the race as being less evil than they appear in mythology, by your own words.

Quote:The Raksha were very anal about ensuring humans wouldn't worship them as gods. As a result, they like being portrayed as evil (to keep humans from worshiping them)


Why would they go through such lengths as creating false myths for them to be portrayed as evil creatures, and deny themselves worship. "Worship" was not exactly a reserved practice in Hinduism - no one would come to harm if they were worshipped (even if being seen as a god-form tends to be reserved for beings that are just "one" entity instead of a race - who are typically seen as being made by the god forms to serve a certain role). To me, it does not make sense that they would spend effort on denying themselves energy that would help them better perform their tasks\roles. It's generally accepted that the act of worship feeds to worshipped one energy/force, the more energy being fed into an idea/person/godform/etc the stronger it becomes. By denying themselves worship, it seems to me like a travelling band of knights refusing to take shelter and food by an inn keeper that appreciated their deeds. Also worth noting, that "evil" is a perspective thing, while they be seen as "demons" in Hinduism, I am not sure they would be called evil - Kali is an often worshipped goddess, who's duty is basically destruction. Cultural or religious perspective of good and evil are things that need to be taken into account while examining certain mythological creatures. Many of the Eastern pantheons have forms that a western influenced mindset may see as "evil" because of their role in the world, but in their home culture, would never be seen as "evil".

Further, the manner that this information is presented is something that is pet peeve of mine. It seems like by placing an subjective opinion on the matter, one is tossing out all the pre-existing arguments against any information that may be presented. The lack of information to substantiate the opinion expressed makes it come off as circular logic. By which I mean something akin to "The sky is really green, you all just see it as blue because your eyes are wrong. But mine are not." I am not one that thinks that mythology gets it all right, of course. But I feel that if one is going to dismiss a large portion of mythology/religion one's race is based on, one should have some objective information to base such opinion off of, instead of a personal subjective opinion. To me, when comparing contrasting research/opinions presented on a race, the one that has more other objective sources seems to be more credible - example, one that incorporates the mythos where the race originated by people that were much closer to the mythology than modern folk, against one that merely goes on their own perspective, I need to side with the one that has more objective research that backs up their perceptions and ideas. It is always a good idea to try to verify one's ideas and perceptions with either objective research, or another person - which is harder to accomplish in an objective manner (for to observe is to interact with the subject) but there are some good articles out there in the otherkin community (and energy manipulation communities about double-blind tests).

Another little quirk of mine that I tend to point out, is why would the name of a race that is by their nature energetic beings and shapeshifters, have a name that is startling similar to the word used in Hinduism for them? It seems to me, that such creatures' vocal capabilities would be vastly different from that of humans. Not to mention, why would one use the Rakshasa word for the race, instead of the earth-word used for the race, since that is where we are (one does not call a subway a subway in london, it's called a tube, sort of thing). In my opinion, setting another name for a race that already has a generally accepted name can/would/will only lead to further confusions. However, perhaps it makes sense, since the race you present as the Raksha seem to be very different from the Rakshasa, why draw a parallel between the two at all then?

Quote:How do you know if you're Raksha?

Personally, I would cut this part out of the information guide, it comes out, to me of course, as being too short and not in depth enough. The one aspect presented is hardly something one can objectively look at too - and I think the last thing anyone here wants is someone mistaking themselves as something they are not. We seek the truth, but part of that seeking is to help open the doors for others to seek through - and sometimes, too, closing doors. The comment of other races hiring Raksha irks me a little, but I'll take it as a metaphor instead of saying that a race of creatures that were created by a deity for a role, would sell their services out to others.

Quote:What form do Raksha take?

There's a lot of little bits in this section that confuses me, so instead of quoting them all, I'm just going to reference the whole section.

By the mythology around the Rakshasa, they were shapeshifters, and did hold onto primary forms, but the primary forms differed depending on the individual (a ball with many mouths, an elephant head, a cat-person body, etc). Since this little piece of mythology does not seem to hint at the good or evil nature of the Rakshasa, why would such a thing be a falsehood? It also makes more sense to me, that a shapeshifting creature would choose the form that fits it's personality better than just the commonly accepted form of their kind. There's also no mention of a Rakshasa being elf-like in the descriptions available (linking back to my mention of circle logic).

I also do not see a suitable basis for asserting that the Rakshasa (A being from the Hindu paradigm with touches in Buddhism, would be so closely related into the Inari (who, depending on which you're relating to, are either one of the more popular elven race groupings, or a mythological figure from Japan), the elven Inari being a more recent sort of mythology (as far as I know), so the paradigms do not properly line up.

Also, I think that Phantom limbs might/would manifest differently for shapeshifting races (if the person had a particular form they liked, it may override the phantom sensation of wings or a tail, etc).

Mention of flight for energetic beings seems to be a little contradictory to me. Flight seems to be a physical thing to me, since energy has very little to no-weight, using wings as a method of flight (even as a possibility) seems odd.

Why would Rakshasa have wings as a method for grounding out their negative emotions? This seems to have one too many holes in it. Firstly, it would be asserting that Rakshasa have the some emotional-set as we can understand them. Secondly, that these emotions were not produced in them for a reason by which I mean, it asserts that they were not created by a deity, and that these emotions are beyond their control. Else, if they were created, they would have the emotional sets they were meant to gave for their duty/role. It seems to make more sense to me, that if the wings were used to ground anything, that they would be used to ground excess energy. Being energetic creatures, combat would of course come down to energetic combat, which it would be good to have methods and systems to ground the energy away better.

And then, there is mention that physical form alone is not enough to judge a Raksha as a Raksha, since Biologically they are the same as Inari. This poses a arge problem for me, since you reference biology and physical being, to a race that you have already stated is energetic (and thus, not physical). So, are they biological, or energetic? Do their bodies interact with the world in the same way ours do, or are they entities? Again, reference back to my confusion over why Rakshasa would be similar to Inari in any way.

Quote:However, things get a bit weird as far as genders go. All of those genders are able to bear children. This can be an issue for males who don't have an obvious exit point for such lifeforms <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->. Yay, portals!

Again, confusion for me. As I understand it, the word "Gender" refers to a non-physical trait. Where "Sex" is the physical counterpart of that trait. So, while it makes sense for me for Rakshasa to have multiple Genders, it does not make sense to me for the Rakshasa to have multiple Sexes. Since they are shapeshifters, one could shapeshift into whichever Sex was best fitting for the situation and the personal Rakshasa. Since Sex is a physical trait, it may be difficult to apply that to an energetic being, especially so when the race is able to choose it's shape and form at it's will. And thusly, Male Rakshasa would have no problems with childbirth - since one could shapeshift for the suitable parts.

Quote:Of course, this can lead to much confusion among Raksha incarnated as Humans about their own sexuality.

I believe you might mean Gender Identity here, not sexuality.

Quote:Males are monogamous/monoamourous, Females are polyamourous/polygamous.
And both and none? How is this? Why is this? I do not see how this would make sense.

Quote:As for doing the deed, not so much. Hmm, maybe that explains our relative lack of population?
Again, this lacks of logic to me. I do not see how or why a race would be designed - either by evolution or deity, to be more interested in foreplay than reproduction. To me, it's really more like a section A: Godform does not want the creatures to reproduce on their own, and therefore would not give them sexual organs. or B: Sex is a manner of reproduction, of survival, and perhaps even a weapon, and thus the drive for it should be higher than simple enjoyment of foreplay. Going insane and fighting against Vanaras may also be a reason for the small population.

Quote:Recently, Rakshani military leaders encouraged the Rakshani council to go into battle since they decided to start a war with the Inari
Recently? And, I believe it's Rama the Rakshasa fought against, not Inari.

Getting tired, so time to wrap it up. Why would the Rakshasa have a homeworld to share with the Inari, when they have their own Loka (plane of existence) to call their own. It seems to me, like the Raksha you propose is a few too many steps away from the concept of Rakshasa as it's known, to draw any sort of parallel to the mythological creature.

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Well, now I don't have that many things to add to the debate.
Sel's covered most of my thoughts on the matter, and a few I didn't see at first.
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Xanthus Wrote:Disclaimer: This is blatant copypasta from another post I just made - but it's the exact same content either way, so I'm not re-typing it.

Not meaning any offense, but I general tend towards a little more scrutiny of kin with extensive and elaborate backstory of their kintype.

Full disclosure is generally a good thing.

Xanthus Wrote:How did you find all this information?

Stuff I found by myself was done through past life regression techniques. Ironic since it isn't technically a past life as many understand that concept, but hey - whatever works. Much of this information is the result of comparing notes with others I felt/believed to be Raksha. Having Daemonstryke to provide information about the Inari helped to have a good basis to compare/contrast with. As for my preconceived notion before I got into all of this: I just thought I was some sort of really magical human. At first I really thought I was pulling stuff out of my rear but...

Xanthus Wrote:Did you check this information in any way for accuracy, and if so, how?

...when I encountered an individual acting much like a Raksha with much the same mindset and thought patterns, I began to start realizing that hey: maybe this isn't total crap. I was able to have memories of events, but nothing that I could pin down as being something as being a characteristic of a race other than "hey, when we're out doing stuff... we wear natural-ish clothing." Lol, not much of a kintype description there <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->. I could also work off my true form, but again: single data point, not exactly a good thing to extrapolate from that.

In the Junior year of college I met someone I suspected to be Raksha. I confronted her about the concept of Otherkin (but not yet my kintype). I asked her what she thought her true name to be. She said Raksha. I followed up with a series of hypothetical scenarios and how would she react. Turned out, she was spot on. She turned out to be Raksha <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->.

Back in middle school I took an interest in Ufology. One thing I took away from that is if you are unable to prove something but want to see if someone else knows or has experienced something, be careful of the questions you ask. For example, don't ask "what was the ball red" but rather something far more open ended like "what color was the ball" and not make it a multiple-choice/multiple-guess question <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->. They either get it right the first time or not.

Back to her, we grew to be close friends eventually doing past life regressions on her and me, comparing notes along the way. I eventually got to know another who was part Raksha, compared notes from past life regressions etc. However, the major problem was that all the Raksha I knew were those who I told them their kintype. I considered this a tainted data set.

Then I joined OKA and encountered Freetha. Finally, someone who wouldn't be tainted my my knowledge of the Raksha. Compared notes, had to revise some of my own notes. Turns out I'm just short for Raksha (just human proportions) and they are typically very tall (8-10ft). Revision is part of the process, but it was awesome to have found someone I definitely never met before but was of the same kintype... and it turn out that I apparently wasn't just making stuff up.

Xanthus Wrote:How many memories related to this information have you had yourself, and under what circumstances did you remember/uncover them?

Many memories, but a few that constantly replay themselves as if there's some important detail I'm overlooking. I try not to take dreams too seriously. They're generally too random and anything useful (e.g. Language of the Raksha) I tend to not remember very well.

Past life regression... when it works... is rather useful. It provides some controllable access to the subtle memory, and most useful: conscious memory of the experience being uncovered. Only thing I completely hate about this is that I really do feel like I'm making random crap up. Hence my desire to constantly compare notes with others.

Xanthus Wrote:How much of this was related to you by another person?

Honestly, as I revise my own knowledge to better make sense and jive with the memories of other Raksha, I'd have to say by now a large percentage of this knowledge is from others rather than myself.

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Kreyas Wrote:However, that would be rather pompous of me to claim to know a race while I'm still comparing notes with others myself.
You may also find it useful to trade notes with Gesigeswigu's on the subject, if you have not already then. He's the only one I know of that has written rather extensively on the subject of Rakshasa, and has even been published in a book with mentioning Rakshasa (See "Field guide to Otherkin" page 196-197 by Lupa). And has been rather exploring not only his memories in depth, but also the mythology around them in a very in depth manner.

Never heard of the name. I'll also have to speed up my reading of Field Guide as well <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->.

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:Since Raksha share demonic characteristics
What characteristics are universally "demonic", and which of these characteristics do you assert the Rakshasa possess out of the list of demonic characteristics. This statement seems particularly out of place, since there seems to be a undertone of the race as being less evil than they appear in mythology, by your own words.

Are you talking deamonic as in Christian context or deamonic as in deamon kin?

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Quote:The Raksha were very anal about ensuring humans wouldn't worship them as gods. As a result, they like being portrayed as evil (to keep humans from worshiping them)


Why would they go through such lengths as creating false myths for them to be portrayed as evil creatures, and deny themselves worship.

That's like asking "Why go through the lengths to acquire a convertible and not use it to pick up the first horny chick on the street" - morals, or more specifically, honor is involved with that.

Selcar Wrote:"Worship" was not exactly a reserved practice in Hinduism - no one would come to harm if they were worshipped (even if being seen as a god-form tends to be reserved for beings that are just "one" entity instead of a race - who are typically seen as being made by the god forms to serve a certain role). To me, it does not make sense that they would spend effort on denying themselves energy that would help them better perform their tasks\roles.

Steroids helps people perform their tasks/roles better. Some people prefer the honor of doing things the good old fashioned way. This statement completely ignores the prior friction between the Inari and Raksha. It's generally not a good idea to take on some of the practices of your enemy. Not to knock my Inari friends, but I always feel their response to humans worshiping them is a cop out. It's one thing to not want humans to worship you, it's quite another to perpetually be manipulating human cultures to ensure such worship fades from existence (granted, I still find this particular tactic highly ironic).

Selcar Wrote:It's generally accepted that the act of worship feeds to worshipped one energy/force, the more energy being fed into an idea/person/godform/etc the stronger it becomes. By denying themselves worship, it seems to me like a travelling band of knights refusing to take shelter and food by an inn keeper that appreciated their deeds.

Raksha do not need the energy of others. They are not psychic vampires. Shelter and food are necessities of humans. Diamond rings are not. In a similar respect, worship is not a necessity for the Raksha. The fact that it's illegal and the laws were rather strictly enforced contributes to that lack of desire of worship.

Selcar Wrote:Also worth noting, that "evil" is a perspective thing, while they be seen as "demons" in Hinduism, I am not sure they would be called evil - Kali is an often worshipped goddess, who's duty is basically destruction. Cultural or religious perspective of good and evil are things that need to be taken into account while examining certain mythological creatures. Many of the Eastern pantheons have forms that a western influenced mindset may see as "evil" because of their role in the world, but in their home culture, would never be seen as "evil".

Keep in mind that the demons in the realm of Hinduism is a very different concept from the western concept of demons. Anything other than the gods and humans are considered demons. Quite a broad category, wouldn't you agree?

Selcar Wrote:Further, the manner that this information is presented is something that is pet peeve of mine. It seems like by placing an subjective opinion on the matter, one is tossing out all the pre-existing arguments against any information that may be presented.

I do not consider religious text to be prior information. I only presented the information as an opinion because I am tired of people taking what I say as holy fact rather than being perpetually subject to revision.

Selcar Wrote:The lack of information to substantiate the opinion expressed makes it come off as circular logic. By which I mean something akin to "The sky is really green, you all just see it as blue because your eyes are wrong. But mine are not." I am not one that thinks that mythology gets it all right, of course. But I feel that if one is going to dismiss a large portion of mythology/religion one's race is based on, one should have some objective information to base such opinion off of, instead of a personal subjective opinion.

Where is the circular logic in my statement?

Selcar Wrote:To me, when comparing contrasting research/opinions presented on a race, the one that has more other objective sources seems to be more credible - example, one that incorporates the mythos where the race originated by people that were much closer to the mythology than modern folk, against one that merely goes on their own perspective, I need to side with the one that has more objective research that backs up their perceptions and ideas. It is always a good idea to try to verify one's ideas and perceptions with either objective research, or another person - which is harder to accomplish in an objective manner (for to observe is to interact with the subject) but there are some good articles out there in the otherkin community (and energy manipulation communities about double-blind tests).

When dealing with a large topic, generally everyone has their own perspective. Comparing notes, sometimes things I thought were weird but I overlooked were explained without me asking. I've yet to encounter someone I am convinced is Raksha that has presented information so different that I have a difficult time incorporating it into my realm of knowledge.

Objective proof for a kintype... good luck with that one <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->.

Selcar Wrote:Another little quirk of mine that I tend to point out, is why would the name of a race that is by their nature energetic beings and shapeshifters, have a name that is startling similar to the word used in Hinduism for them?

A question I've always pondered is why do they come up practically by name? Why not a mysterious pseudonym? Seriously, adding 2 letters (most of the time) is the best the race could do? If you're trying to avoid worship... why make such an apparently deep impact on spiritually using your real name?! All of the above still doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Selcar Wrote:It seems to me, that such creatures' vocal capabilities would be vastly different from that of humans.

Indeed. I wouldn't say it's a difference in vocal capabilities as a different means of communication.

Selcar Wrote:Not to mention, why would one use the Rakshasa word for the race, instead of the earth-word used for the race, since that is where we are (one does not call a subway a subway in london, it's called a tube, sort of thing). In my opinion, setting another name for a race that already has a generally accepted name can/would/will only lead to further confusions. However, perhaps it makes sense, since the race you present as the Raksha seem to be very different from the Rakshasa, why draw a parallel between the two at all then?

Just because I set the premise of there being differences, don't overlook the similarities. I've stuck with the term Raksha since I stumbled upon it in a past life regression. It also seems to be the name more readily recognized in past life regressions. Rakshasa seems to be a purely human word. I find the fact that Rakshasa turned out to be something in Hindu mythology (something I discovered later) to be an interesting side note in my journey of understanding what the heck I may be.

For some reason I always like the idea of the human ceremony of the Raksha Bradan (sp?). It's good for siblings to look after one another IMHO.

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:How do you know if you're Raksha?

Personally, I would cut this part out of the information guide, it comes out, to me of course, as being too short and not in depth enough. The one aspect presented is hardly something one can objectively look at too - and I think the last thing anyone here wants is someone mistaking themselves as something they are not. We seek the truth, but part of that seeking is to help open the doors for others to seek through - and sometimes, too, closing doors. The comment of other races hiring Raksha irks me a little, but I'll take it as a metaphor instead of saying that a race of creatures that were created by a deity for a role, would sell their services out to others.

It'd be ironic for a race so fiercely fighting the "gods" to itself worship a deity. Then again, it wouldn't be the first ironic thing I've associated with the Raksha.

Don't think of the Raksha as whores. I think the term mercenary wouldn't fit here as that implies that anyone off the street could hire you. However, allies are a mixed bag (though if monitored closely, can be a good thing) and permitting someone to acquire your services and in turn become indebted to you is a good way of securing alliances for when they become needed.

Personally, I find the answer to be quick and to the point and probably the only thing I've found to be universal with Raksha.

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:What form do Raksha take?

There's a lot of little bits in this section that confuses me, so instead of quoting them all, I'm just going to reference the whole section.

By the mythology around the Rakshasa, they were shapeshifters, and did hold onto primary forms, but the primary forms differed depending on the individual (a ball with many mouths, an elephant head, a cat-person body, etc). Since this little piece of mythology does not seem to hint at the good or evil nature of the Rakshasa, why would such a thing be a falsehood? It also makes more sense to me, that a shapeshifting creature would choose the form that fits it's personality better than just the commonly accepted form of their kind. There's also no mention of a Rakshasa being elf-like in the descriptions available (linking back to my mention of circle logic).

We seem to come from different backgrounds. You seem to base much of your information off human mythology, I do not. I see it as a curious fiction like this storywhich is by someone I don't know but seems to hit on some interesting personality characteristics those who only know me online would likely not know. Sure, some things may line up - but to me it's just fiction and isn't something I look into terribly deeply.

I don't buy the theory of varied forms simply because it's too far outside the box of what I know of the Raksha. Sure, there's shapeshifting, but it all gravitates back to a central form which itself may reflect the personality of the being.

Selcar Wrote:I also do not see a suitable basis for asserting that the Rakshasa (A being from the Hindu paradigm with touches in Buddhism, would be so closely related into the Inari (who, depending on which you're relating to, are either one of the more popular elven race groupings, or a mythological figure from Japan), the elven Inari being a more recent sort of mythology (as far as I know), so the paradigms do not properly line up.

Again, your facts are my fiction. I prefer to speak to people of these kintypes and get their input and form a cohesive image of their kintype rather than read religious texts one would reasonably assume were written by humans.

The Inari I refer to are not mythological in the sense that they are brought up by name (the irony of that statement does annoy my core being). I am not referring to the Japanese figures. However, I will say that the general gist of what the Raksha repeatedly come down to Earth to tell the humans to do (I hate the implication of manipulation here since I feel that was the very thing we were trying to fight against) does seem to line up very well with Buddhist theology.

Selcar Wrote:Also, I think that Phantom limbs might/would manifest differently for shapeshifting races (if the person had a particular form they liked, it may override the phantom sensation of wings or a tail, etc).

Mention of flight for energetic beings seems to be a little contradictory to me. Flight seems to be a physical thing to me, since energy has very little to no-weight, using wings as a method of flight (even as a possibility) seems odd.

I think you understand my take on the Raksha having wings. The wings seem decorative but don't do much else (in this context).

Selcar Wrote:Why would Rakshasa have wings as a method for grounding out their negative emotions?

*shrugs*.

Selcar Wrote:This seems to have one too many holes in it. Firstly, it would be asserting that Rakshasa have the some emotional-set as we can understand them. Secondly, that these emotions were not produced in them for a reason by which I mean, it asserts that they were not created by a deity, and that these emotions are beyond their control.

Keep in mind the Raksha (moreso the females than males) are emotional. I don't mean that in the Emo or PMS type of sense. I mean it more in the sheer quantity of emotion they can possess. Take that emotion and throw it even into the most self-controlling of humans and their self-control mechanisms simply wouldn't work due to the sheer force of the emotion. Sure, I'm sure there's voluntary methods of controlling emotion - but having some appendages to assist this process isn't exactly a terribly bad idea. However, if the wings of Raksha are like those of the Inari, this can become a major issue as the wings of the Inari are not fully repairable.

Selcar Wrote:Else, if they were created, they would have the emotional sets they were meant to gave for their duty/role. It seems to make more sense to me, that if the wings were used to ground anything, that they would be used to ground excess energy. Being energetic creatures, combat would of course come down to energetic combat, which it would be good to have methods and systems to ground the energy away better.

Why not use combat as a method of releasing energy. Granted, it's not a common practice by any stretch nor an honorable practice - but coming to think about it, the war with the Inari did release a lot of bad vibes per-se.

Let's assume the likely scenario for a second that I'm odd man out and don't have a tail. Why not use the tail as the grounding mechanism? *random speculation.* I personally use my spine for such things, but that may just be a human thing since it's a common method for grounding (in addition to using the feet).

Selcar Wrote:And then, there is mention that physical form alone is not enough to judge a Raksha as a Raksha, since Biologically they are the same as Inari. This poses a arge problem for me, since you reference biology and physical being, to a race that you have already stated is energetic (and thus, not physical).

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Selcar Wrote:So, are they biological, or energetic?

As I stated before, energy beings that gravitate towards a central form.

Selcar Wrote:Do their bodies interact with the world in the same way ours do, or are they entities? Again, reference back to my confusion over why Rakshasa would be similar to Inari in any way.

What do you mean by this question?

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:However, things get a bit weird as far as genders go. All of those genders are able to bear children. This can be an issue for males who don't have an obvious exit point for such lifeforms <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->. Yay, portals!

Again, confusion for me. As I understand it, the word "Gender" refers to a non-physical trait. Where "Sex" is the physical counterpart of that trait. So, while it makes sense for me for Rakshasa to have multiple Genders, it does not make sense to me for the Rakshasa to have multiple Sexes. Since they are shapeshifters, one could shapeshift into whichever Sex was best fitting for the situation and the personal Rakshasa. Since Sex is a physical trait, it may be difficult to apply that to an energetic being, especially so when the race is able to choose it's shape and form at it's will. And thusly, Male Rakshasa would have no problems with childbirth - since one could shapeshift for the suitable parts.

I'll concede on the Sex vs. Gender thing.

You try shape shifting when in pain <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue --> jk. Come to think about it, why don't beings just shape shift when they are in pain? Changing form should change the underlying physiology and thus eliminate the pain, but that's me thinking logically rather than metaphysially.

There's many stories among the Inari of gender bending for sex. Haven't encountered such stories among the Raksha, but I wouldn't be surprised by it.

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:Of course, this can lead to much confusion among Raksha incarnated as Humans about their own sexuality.

I believe you might mean Gender Identity here, not sexuality.

I think both can be encompassed here. For a while I thought I was homosexual. Turns out I just like really aggressive females.

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:Males are monogamous/monoamourous, Females are polyamourous/polygamous.
And both and none? How is this? Why is this? I do not see how this would make sense.

Both and none are still mysteries to me. I would presume none to be Asexual whereas Both would have traits of both. Perhaps be polyamourous but desire monogamy.

If there was a serious disproportionality of males to females due to the aggressiveness of females, this actually would make a lot of sense. I'm still unsure if the Raksha have this problem (something the Inari experience) or not.

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:As for doing the deed, not so much. Hmm, maybe that explains our relative lack of population?
Again, this lacks of logic to me. I do not see how or why a race would be designed - either by evolution or deity, to be more interested in foreplay than reproduction.

To me, it's really more like a section A: Godform does not want the creatures to reproduce on their own, and therefore would not give them sexual organs. or B: Sex is a manner of reproduction, of survival, and perhaps even a weapon, and thus the drive for it should be higher than simple enjoyment of foreplay. Going insane and fighting against Vanaras may also be a reason for the small population.

Neither of the above. Remember the anality (I know that's not a word) about Honor. Foreplay is fun, raising and being responsible for an offspring... not so much. I don't think the concept of abortion is even remotely considered. Sure, you could attempt to control such things. However, with foreplay being so fun, why do the whole pull and pray thing unless you really wanted a mate and a child?

Selcar Wrote:
Quote:Recently, Rakshani military leaders encouraged the Rakshani council to go into battle since they decided to start a war with the Inari
Recently? And, I believe it's Rama the Rakshasa fought against, not Inari.

Getting tired, so time to wrap it up. Why would the Rakshasa have a homeworld to share with the Inari, when they have their own Loka (plane of existence) to call their own. It seems to me, like the Raksha you propose is a few too many steps away from the concept of Rakshasa as it's known, to draw any sort of parallel to the mythological creature.

It's literally common ground. It's a great place to recruit Inari who are imprisoned there who may be less than happy about their own race to join the Raksha in fighting them (at least before we settled matters with the Inari).

I'm very uneasy about the whole separate plane of existence premise. Sure, this would jive with what the Inari say as them being on a separate plane of existence (and since the Inari and Raksha share common ground, by transitivity, they would have to be on the same plane). However, I still think this plane and the astral is huge enough for things like this to exist in some far corner no one has ever gone to. That, and I just have a personal irritation of people just making up their own planes for things to supposedly exist on. I'd rather be more conservative with regards to such a claim.

Ever met a Raksha who wasn't able to scratch you easily with their bare hands? *shrugs* To me, that's the only significant parallel I see with the mythological representation. Odd that I focus on that rather than the other things that are arguably more similar *shrugs*.

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Re: What is a Raksha?
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Selcar Wrote:
Kreyas Wrote:However, that would be rather pompous of me to claim to know a race while I'm still comparing notes with others myself.
You may also find it useful to trade notes with Gesigeswigu's on the subject, if you have not already then. He's the only one I know of that has written rather extensively on the subject of Rakshasa, and has even been published in a book with mentioning Rakshasa (See "Field guide to Otherkin" page 196-197 by Lupa). And has been rather exploring not only his memories in depth, but also the mythology around them in a very in depth manner.

Never heard of the name. I'll also have to speed up my reading of Field Guide as well <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->.

(He's the guy who Lupa mentions right after she mentions me. XD)

Anyway, seeing as I really knew little to jack about the Rakshasa in the first place, other than that the legend/mythos to it's from India, I found this rather enlightening.

Now I wanna take this and whatever Freetha types up and whatever I can find from Ges and compare it all.

Goody goody, it's a-brainstormin' time!! ^_^

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