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Hello guys,

Some people expressed interest in my Weavers article thing on the old site. while i lost that info i have it stored in my little heat pot I like to call a brain. So here is, to the best of my rememberence, my revised info on weavers.

Update 1-20-08 An instesting realization that I'd like to share and discuss. I previously thought weaver was an actual kin type. After further review I learn that it is not a species but rather a moral code and "social class" if you will. This explains why any celestial, any creature that espouses "The Law" can be a weaver. I do know, however, that one has to get permission in order to become one. For me permission comes via intuition. for lack of a better term "The powers that be" let me know whether or not I can explain or "teach" weaving to others. I've met no one that's been given the green light in that respect. Though I choose to take the approch that I'm not yet fit to teach anything as I myself still have too much to learn.

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Weavers - Think twice before you step on spiders!

A Weaver, like the idea of deconstruction, is hard to peg down. Weavers primarily work with the basic elements and energies of the universe. They equally love to build beauty and destroy without a second thought. Though Weavers are creatures of incredible ability and sound potentially very fluffy they are bound by "the law". "Physical" attributes of weavers are as vast and various as the universe itself. Pure weavers do not incarnate. Any physical form is far too limiting for their liking. But partial weavers (like myself) do incarnate becuase they are far better suited for the limits and laws of the physical world.

The Law - Be you dragon or elf, if you obey the law you are a Weaver in the eyes of the pure ones

The Law is the fundamental determining force of a Weaver. Since Weavers value energy and the creations of existence any creature that has an equal love for energy its flexible nature and the currents of the astral is considered a Weaver even by those who souly define themselves as such. The Law draws the line between Weaver and Faux weaver.

The Law States:

Those who will cannot...those who can will not.

Explanation: Those who want the ability to cause harm to existence can not. Some force will always be put in place to stop them. Those who have the ability to cause harm will not, as they will have no desire to do anything other than the will of the universe.

Learn the current. Learn the pattern. Control them both but manipulate neither.

Explanation: This deals more with astral interaction. Never step into a new place without setting up an area of control. In turn, you will not interrupt the worlds of others, you will cause no harm.

Create beauty as needed like the spider, destroy as needed like the serpent.

Explanation: Both creatures are important Weaver symbols. Weavers create and destroy only as needed like the Spider and the Snake, not for their own selfish desires. Spiders creature the web to catch food. Snakes strike when defending themselves. Neither are evil or wrong in what they do.

Faux Weavers - Weavers who do not abide by the law.

Unlike the complex political climate and divide of Heaven and Hell the weaver divide is simple. Those who abide by the law are Weavers, those who do not are Faux Weavers. If caught breaking the law, a Faux Weaver is swiftly punished, no room for debate. When one uses the energy of existence for selfish means it is harmful to all and is not tolerated. Be you angel or demon in the path of a Faux weaver, you are equally in danger becuase Fauz weavers are in discriminant in who they steal energy from or flat out destroy. Luckily most Faux weavers are detected in the web network quickly and dealt with accordingly.

The web Network - Keeping the family in check

The web network is a thin thread coming from the pure, great weavers to all their children, and gained otherkin weavers. this is less a bind or a bond and more a telephone line, to check up on loved ones and to help aid a fellow weaver if attacked. Also, when a weaver turns, stops obeying the law, they are detected and kept from performing selfish energy conversion/ attacking others.

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Well that's what I remember. Feel free to add questions and thoughts.

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2008-01-14 15:12
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Re: Weavers
Disclaimer: This is blatant copypasta from another post I just made - but it's the exact same content either way, so I'm not re-typing it.

Not meaning any offense, but I general tend towards a little more scrutiny of kin with extensive and elaborate backstory of their kintype.

How did you find all this information?
Did you check this information in any way for accuracy, and if so, how?
How many memories related to this information have you had yourself, and under what circumstances did you remember/uncover them?
How much of this was related to you by another person?

Hope the questions don't bother you. <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->

EDIT: Note, this does not constitute me calling you a fluff in any way. I am actually and honestly interested in answers to these questions.

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2008-01-14 15:57
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Xanthus Wrote:Disclaimer: This is blatant copypasta from another post I just made - but it's the exact same content either way, so I'm not re-typing it.

Not meaning any offense, but I general tend towards a little more scrutiny of kin with extensive and elaborate backstory of their kintype.

How did you find all this information?
Did you check this information in any way for accuracy, and if so, how?
How many memories related to this information have you had yourself, and under what circumstances did you remember/uncover them?
How much of this was related to you by another person?

Hope the questions don't bother you. <!-- sSad --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- sSad -->

EDIT: Note, this does not constitute me calling you a fluff in any way. I am actually and honestly interested in answers to these questions.

How did I come about this information:

A lot of this can be found in Native American lore (the idea of the spider and the serpent's profound significance in the cycle of worlds for example) there are many stories about spider being a creator, a manipulator of energy. The last two stories on his page: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://members.cox.net/academia/origins.html">http://members.cox.net/academia/origins.html</a><!-- m --> are two such examples of spider creation and destruction stories. The direct idea of the spider and serpent came from the book called "Ceremony" which takes a lot from the novel "Ceremony" by Leslie Marmon Silko. This idea had a profound effect on me personally and better facilitates an easy explanation of a weaver's state of being.

The rest comes from my own meditations and the thoughts of others with the idea but not the symbols to draw it together. That being said I came out this information the same way that all otherkin do: looking to the past for wisdom and filling in the blanks as best I can with experience based knowledge not memory based. Memories are very...unreliable things.

Did you check this information in any way for accuracy, and if so, how?

Yes, yet again this is the sort of thing that experience only can teach, as Native american stories rarely give details. That in of itself is a great indicator of a Weaver's nature. They're quite obtuse. Unfortunately, I've met few other partial weavers, so its very hard to fact check with others. Its all moot though, specifically becuase other people are NOT a good touchstone for this sort of thing.


How many memories related to this information have you had yourself, and under what circumstances did you remember/uncover them?

I don't go by memories, they are the WORST thing to judge one's self on. I uncovered the "facts" I listed through astral practice and meditation, along with chats from other spirits in the astral. I put more value in my experiences though, as its often hard to take a spirit's word when there is always the chance of it being a figment of your imagination. I know I've experienced things, i did them in this life, and that is how I formed the information listed above.

How much of this was related to you by another person?

None. As i listed above i simply don't trust another person's perception as it will almost always be divergent from my own. No I stuck to the Native and shamanic stories and meditated on them, while working with the energy of the astral. I suppose you could say "I just made it all up while bored one day" but it really doesn't matter either way, in the grand scheme of things.

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2008-01-14 16:22
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Just wanted to say thanks and that your are awesome for putting up with my questions. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

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Xanthus Wrote:Just wanted to say thanks and that your are awesome for putting up with my questions. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

Bah, what are forums for if not to ask questions *hugs* :3. I'm surprised more people didn't post stuff like this. I'm sure others know of Weavers, but simply call them something else. The pure ones are groovy like that.

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2008-01-14 19:03
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As I put in a similarly information-based thread from The Garnet Host, I'll probably be posting a thread regarding my reasoning for these questions soon.

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dude, no explanation necessary with me. Some people post some really...crazy crap and try to pass it off as ultimate knowledge. Someone has to make sure I didn't just pull this out of my rear, you know? *hugs*

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Actually, it's more than just that, but the post's up. Take a look if you're interested. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

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An instesting realization that I'd like to share and discuss. I previously thought weaver was an actual kin type. After further review I learn that it is not a species but rather a moral code and "social class" if you will. This explains why any celestial, any creature that espouses "The Law" can be a weaver. I do know, however, that one has to get permission in order to become one. For me permission comes via intuition. for lack of a better term "The powers that be" let me know whether or not I can explain or "teach" weaving to others. I've met no one that's been given the green light in that respect. Though I choose to take the approch that I'm not yet fit to teach anything as I myself still have too much to learn.

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Interesting. . this seems to .. ping? somehow.

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