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Sometimes I feel like I am both domesticated canine and wolf. Is it possible for me to be both? Is it even possible to put a label of breed on the feeling of canine? I'm confused. Any ounce of help would be wonderful.

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2009-06-06 19:34
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Yes, of course it's possible to be both. People with multiple theriotypes are pretty common, and there's not reason why someone can't have, for example, two different types of canines as theriotypes. However, it's probably more likely that you could be experiencing a single theriotype that could be a mix between domestic dog and wild canine (like a wolfdog), or a feral-like dog (pariah dogs, for example), a wild 'dog-like' canine (dingos, African wild dogs, and dholes, particularly), or even being a wolf that feels sort of tame or domestic-like because of living as a human which may have had some influence on the way your therianthropy manifests (like my mongoose theriotype I feel could be considered fairly "tame" compared to wild mongooses because of the affects of my human life and socialization). It's of course ultimately up to the individual to decipher which one of those is correct for him/herself.

Many people's theriotypes can also be specified to the extent of species, some even to subspecies and breed, though numerous other therians have more generalized theriotypes like just "canine" or "feline", among other levels of generalization. For me, my horse and cat theriotypes are species specific (both are domestic, and technically domestic cat is as specific as subspecies), yet neither is breed specific, and my mongoose theriotype is more general because it has aspects of multiple mongoose species incorporated into it.

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2009-06-06 20:03
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Have you considered the possibility that you might be a cladotherian? That's someone who identifies with the entire genus of an animal rather than to one specific species. For example being connected to all canines, not just wolves or dogs. What you've described so far on OKP sounds like cladotherianthropy to me. However, only you can figure out exactly what you identify as. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

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2009-06-07 1:27
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Elinox Wrote:cladotherianthropy
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2009-06-07 1:30
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Elinox Wrote:Have you considered the possibility that you might be a cladotherian? That's someone who identifies with the entire genus of an animal rather than to one specific species. For example being connected to all canines, not just wolves or dogs. What you've described so far on OKP sounds like cladotherianthropy to me. However, only you can figure out exactly what you identify as. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

I have issues with the cladotherianthropy terminology and find it for the most part not useful in application nor in explaining a concept to someone. Technically, as I mentioned in my above post, my mongoose theriotype could fall within being a type of cladotherianthropy, yet it's messy and not particularly helpful to say 'canine cladotherian' (or in my case, mongoose cladotherian) as opposed to just 'canine therian' (clado- doesn't indicate anything that the generalized animal type can't do on its own). It's also a complex and confusing term as it was never made clear what exactly it indicates besides just not being species specific--sometimes a genus may only have one or two species in it, and things like being a general canine or feline therian could encompass many or all of the species in an entire family, let alone taxonomic classifications above families. I just tend to think that presenting the idea of "you might be a cladotherian" with that terminology does not help more than just saying that the person may have a more generalized, non-species specific theriotype. *shrugs* Sorry for that :/, but I just try to caution people about certain therianthropy community terminology and try to aim for keeping it more purposeful in conversation and application (which I have an essay I plan to post over on Werelist in a day or two on that specific subject). So I agree with the suggestion (being a more generalized canine theriotype) as a possibility that should be considered, it's only the use of that particular terminology I have issue with.

Anyway, I'll also note that figuring out the specifics of one's theriotype can be rather confusing and deceiving, in that sometimes it can look more general or more specific than it actually may be. In Tale Chaser's case, I recommend researching a variety of different canine species (and possibly other canine-like animals that aren't actually canines) and different breeds of domestic dogs (which have a wide variability amongst them). There's also an interesting essay by a friend of mine (simply titled "Wild Dog") about him being something similar to a pariah dog, but more accurately as a "proto-dog" (pre-dog), after he had previously thought he was a grey wolf and later considered himself being a wolfdog. There are a variety of possibilities for what you, Tale Chaser, could be experiencing and figuring out which one is the proper explanation for you personally is something that may come to you slowly as you work through what fits and what doesn't.

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2009-06-07 3:26
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Sonne has such a big explanation, I'm confused. >.< But, I feel like it's possible I may be Cladotherian. Mainly because I'm constantly changing my feelings on which canine I may be. I was told though, I may be a Dire Wolf. It feels possible. Of course, it could be the whole "I'm a wolf but I feel domesticated due to being used to humans" thing. That feels accurate as well. I'm comfortable with either one, really. That's what confuses me the most.

I'm probably not making a lot of sense...

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You could feel used to humans because you "are" human right now, which would explain why you feel domesticated.
And even domesticated puppies still possess many of the same instincts as wild canids do, pack instincts, play instincts, pecking order instincts, hunting instincts, etc, etc, etc, so even if you're a domesticated puppy incarnated into human, it's instinctual aspects, would explain why you sometimes feel you may be a wild canid.

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2009-06-07 19:33
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Tale_Chaser Wrote:Sonne has such a big explanation, I'm confused. >.< But, I feel like it's possible I may be Cladotherian. Mainly because I'm constantly changing my feelings on which canine I may be. I was told though, I may be a Dire Wolf. It feels possible. Of course, it could be the whole "I'm a wolf but I feel domesticated due to being used to humans" thing. That feels accurate as well. I'm comfortable with either one, really. That's what confuses me the most.

I'm probably not making a lot of sense...

Let me know what specifically about my explanation confuses you and I'll try to clarify what I meant. Though the general message I was trying to deliver is that your feelings of seeming like both a domestic and wild canine could be any of various possible things related to therianthropy (as I listed them in my first reply), such as: domestic-living human influence on your life, having a wolfdog theriotype, being a more "dog-like" wild canine (like dholes, dingos, African wild dogs), having a feral/wild domestic dog as a theriotype, two theriotypes that are different canines, or even being more than one type of canine species as your singular theriotype. Though those don't even get into the possibilities of totemic or spirit guide animal influences.

I do want to also caution further about thinking you might have a more generalized canine theriotype (what was meant in the 'cladotherian' concept above), because figuring out one's theriotype(s) can be rather confusing and until the person manages to more adequately sort through and understand his/her therianthropy, s/he can be misled into thinking that s/he has a more general (or broader) theriotype that's not just one species, or may think it is more specific (like one species) when it may not be. Even when it comes to someone applying the term of cladotherian to him/herself, it's intended to be a term that represents a fairly stable conclusion on the person's theriotype(s), rather than a term for feeling ambiguously about what one's theriotype's species may be while still searching for what his/her theriotype is.

As a side note, I recommend not putting too much stock in other people's suggestions of what animal your theriotype is--ultimately it's up to you to figure out and other people's ideas of what animal type you may be can be deceiving and lead to more confusion for you.

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Sonne Wrote:I have issues with the cladotherianthropy terminology and find it for the most part not useful in application nor in explaining a concept to someone.

First off let me state that while I realize you're not a huge fan of all the various, and sometimes confusing, terminology within the therian community Sonne, there are terms that some people might find useful. I'm one of those people who find the terms useful in describing more specifically what type of therianthropy someone experiences. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink --> I was merely sharing a term which I've heard used within the community that may have described what Tail_Chaser is experiencing.

Sonne Wrote:I just tend to think that presenting the idea of "you might be a cladotherian" with that terminology does not help more than just saying that the person may have a more generalized, non-species specific theriotype.

But that's what I said. <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> And that's what cladotherianthropy is; it's simply a word that describes someone who has a strong therianthropy-like connection to a whole group of animals that are similar, usually genus-wise. I was merely pointing out the term that's sometimes used within the community.

Sonne Wrote:As a side note, I recommend not putting too much stock in other people's suggestions of what animal your theriotype is--ultimately it's up to you to figure out and other people's ideas of what animal type you may be can be deceiving and lead to more confusion for you.

Secondly, if you read my response, I did state that:
Elinox Wrote:However, only you can figure out exactly what you identify as.
So I wasn't making any claim that I could tell someone what they are. Obviously, only an individual can figure out what they are and whether they prefer the various terms within the community or not. Terms work for some people and they don't work for others; it's individual preference. But I don't think saying either way is right or wrong is up to us to interpret for someone else. Only Tale_Chaser can decide if cladotherian is right or not. I was merely making her aware of the term, nothing more.

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Elinox Wrote:Secondly, if you read my response, I did state that:
Elinox Wrote:However, only you can figure out exactly what you identify as.
So I wasn't making any claim that I could tell someone what they are. Obviously, only an individual can figure out what they are and whether they prefer the various terms within the community or not. Terms work for some people and they don't work for others; it's individual preference. But I don't think saying either way is right or wrong is up to us to interpret for someone else. Only Tale_Chaser can decide if cladotherian is right or not. I was merely making her aware of the term, nothing more.

That part wasn't in regards to your post but instead Tale Chaser's mention about someone saying s/he might be a dire wolf therian. Sorry for any confusion there :/.


I understand your points about the terminology and I do believe people can find uses in some such terms, it's just I'm wary about presenting the special therian term for something right off with its explanation instead of just the explanation on its own because I have seen so many therians have a tendency (and it's not even it seems a conscious-choice tendency) to feel the explanation that immediately fits them best is the one that has its own special terminology. It's a sort of recommendation to ease more toward focusing on the explanations without special therianthropy terminology to let them stand on a more even playing field, so to speak, to the person/people the possibilities are being presented to. But ultimately, people can state the terms as much as they prefer and use them as they prefer; I'm just clarifying why I made my statements in that earlier post.

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