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Thoughts on the subculture.
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Thoughts on the subculture.
(This is just my opinion. If you think this is nonsense, feel free to say so.)

I've decided to finally type something that's been on my mind for quite a while.

For at least the past year and a half, I've noticed a sharp change in the otherkin community. Forums I used to frequently look at, and occasionally post on, now seem to be mostly devoid of activity (although this is springing back up again, it seems). I used to talk with different members, discuss and debate on ideas, and I found them incredibly useful.

To be honest, it seems like a good 70% percent of people I see claiming to be otherkin just don't give a fuck anymore. It's as if they can simply pick and choose who they are, and what they feel like, with no backup or reason apart from it being "awesome" or "cool".

It seems most current otherkin activity is happening on Tumblr at the moment, and most of it seems to be full of pages with ridiculous claims, along with completely irrevelent, unintelligible posts about completely irrevelent topics or bloody My Little Pony or whatever, that disappear in a matter of days or weeks.

I'm left feeling slightly lost, and unsure who to talk to about the subject at the moment, mostly because I feel that fewer and fewer are taking themselves seriously.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Any opinions, comments or questions, post below. Apologies if this sounded arrogant.

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2012-07-23 22:25
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Re: Thoughts on the subculture.
I don't go on tumblr, so I can't say anything on that front, but I do get what you are saying about the rest.
The reason I left the otherkin community in general was because I was sick of all the drama, so that's my excuse. I was sick of hearing the "I'm real, but you're not because I say so" stuff and the "if you're not happy all the time, we hate you, but if you are happy, we'll ignore everything you went through because of this" stuff. I was equally sick of the "I'm special and this is so cool! Dysphoria? What's that?" stuff.
However, I still went to one last place where someone who claimed to be my brother and someone who claimed to be my sister went. Well, my "brother" used to talk about otherkin stuff with me, but he stopped and I feel like I'm the only one still feeling this way. My "sister" never really talked to me about it in the first place. She just sent me annoyingly cryptic messages that made me feel like this was some sort of game to her.
Or, recently, I came across people saying that being otherkin shouldn't be compared with being trans because our "dysphoria isn't nearly as bad." That feels like a huge slap in the face because mine was that bad and (no offence), worse than some people's. The only reason that is past tense is because I managed to force myself to accept that I would have to get used to this body because transition isn't possible for a shapeshifter and I don't want to die. Mind you, it's not to the point where I'm comfortable by any means, but I no longer want to die because of it. Yet, people who claim to be like me dismiss this so as if it's nothing.
(Oh yeah and I should probably add that I am trans, so yes, I am able to compare the two experiences. At least, how I experience them.)

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2012-07-23 23:34
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Re: Thoughts on the subculture.
skorpio Wrote:To be honest, it seems like a good 70% percent of people I see claiming to be otherkin just don't give a fuck anymore. It's as if they can simply pick and choose who they are, and what they feel like, with no backup or reason apart from it being "awesome" or "cool".

Not necessarily picking and choosing, but rather simply moving on with their real lives. That's how I'm taking it anyway.

And I know forums go through active/non-active phases, but I tend to agree with you in that many of the key forums (this one included) that were so important to me back when I discovered 'kin seem very slow compared to how they once were.

skorpio Wrote:It seems most current otherkin activity is happening on Tumblr at the moment, and most of it seems to be full of pages with ridiculous claims, along with completely irrevelent, unintelligible posts about completely irrevelent topics or bloody My Little Pony or whatever, that disappear in a matter of days or weeks.

Which is why I've avoided those Tumblr places. Yes I'm there, but I have absolutely no desire to get involved in internet drama again.

skorpio Wrote:I'm left feeling slightly lost, and unsure who to talk to about the subject at the moment, mostly because I feel that fewer and fewer are taking themselves seriously.

If it helps, you can always share here. I'll be here forever. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

skorpio Wrote:Apologies if this sounded arrogant.

Doesn't sound arrogant to me at all.

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2012-07-24 13:19
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Re: Thoughts on the subculture.
I don't use Tumblr *because* of the nonsense one hears about going on there. Some forums, mainly new ones, seem to be more concerned these days with being nice than being constructive sadly, but like El said, I'll be here for a long long time <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->

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2012-07-24 19:09
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Re: Thoughts on the subculture.
We could be pessimistic and say that, in the past, "being otherkin" was the new fad and all of that activity was basically from people deluding themselves or simply pretending. With a few years passed, it wouldn't exactly hold the same appeal, would it?


Alternatively, you could see it as the people who were once lost and desperately searching for answers managed to find some closure and no longer require the assistance of the community.


As for myself, I didn't so much leave as disappear. It wasn't a conscious decision; it was just a few days of inactivity, then a week, then a few years. It happens to me occasionally.

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Rain Wrote:Alternatively, you could see it as the people who were once lost and desperately searching for answers managed to find some closure and no longer require the assistance of the community.

This is it for me. I've been all around, immersed in the different communities and subcultures out there, since I was 14 (which was a good 12 years ago!). I spent the first five years trying to figure out who I was and why I felt this way. I was first introduced to the furry community by an offline friend, which didn't exactly feel right but so many of them would talk of feeling like they had a certain animal inside them and I could relate in a way. After a while I found the therianthrope community and decided I must possibly be a wolf, then upon re-evaluation decided it felt more like a cat-like presence. Neither felt exactly right so I pressed on. From there I ran into the draconic community and found a niche there for a while, the winged clawed creatures felt more dear to my heart and fit more into what I felt was right. Then from there, seven years ago, I was introduced to the otherkin community as a whole and finally found myself. I haven't doubted my inner self once since then, but I have felt like the need to be active in the community lessened once I became content with my journey. Now I only post here once every so often and have strayed away from other forums and sites.
2012-09-01 5:58
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I logged in after ageees just to see if anyone had noticed the same thing. I'm sorry if this counts as necro-ing!

I do think that maybe it's a generational thing. Many of us who were younger and looking for answers a few years ago were more likely to gather in forums. There were also, I think, fewer people who used the Internet a lot. Nowadays people in their teens spend a greater deal of time online and prefer to use tumblrs to discuss things. There's an entire social justice scene on tumblr, so obviously, they're going to go appropriate their language and terms because they think it's "cool". When we gathered here we also had older, wiser members to curb our enthusiasm and to let us know that maybe we should look at our lives and our choices if we genuinely thought we were an Elven Princess from Mars, while on tumblr the demographics seems to be uniformly younger and somewhat "separate" from communities like this one.

I'm not sure I still identify as Otherkin at all, or if I was just being a teenager. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> But I do cherish the good times I had in this community, and I'm really sad that tumblr users are just putting out there the image that we think that we're oppressed, are pedophiles, are show-offs, and so on and so on. Now that I don't really identify as Otherkin and don't think about it as much, the concept definitely seems a bit loopy to me -- but that's fine, I really respect everyone's beliefs and my general attitude towards spiritual matters is "hey, why not? It may as well be possible". We got hate for it back in the day, remember? But I do feel like now there's a whole part of the community bringing it upon everyone else.

So really, if anyone is reading this who is also a part of the tumblr community, please try to refrain from appropriating the language of people who get killed, beaten up, and otherwise hurt on a daily basis for their skin colour, gender identity, or religion. I understand wishing that you could discuss the concept of otherkin with people without being sent straight to a psychiatrist but doing this won't help, and it's insensitive as hell. My younger self was perfectly fine not telling anyone about being Otherkin, but less fine when she was bullied at school everyday for being queer.
2012-10-08 22:53
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Re: Thoughts on the subculture.
This isn't otherkin related, but it is something I want to point out.
People aren't killed, beaten up, raped, and/or otherwise hurt because they did or are something. Those things happen because the people who do the killing, beating, raping, and/or hurting chose to. The fault lies with the abuser, not the target.
It's difficult to remember I know. It took me several years.

In a way, I understand what you mean though. I also find it incredibly insensitive when someone compares something that I see as minor to the kinds of things I went through. Most people don't realize who they're talking to though because they just assumed. (Again, this is unrelated to being otherkin.)

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I sent myself straight to a psychiatrist (several actually) and I am highly suspicious of people claiming to be otherkin who don't.

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2012-10-12 17:19
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I was recently discussing about this in a chatroom as well, and one possiblity what could have caused this could be that some therians simply don't feel there is anything more to learn. They've grown to accept the therianthropy, but don't expect that many new things either. I was also told that there aren't many people "helping" others at their therian issue either, perhaps because it's so hard yet endless amount of people come to seek for aid.

Another thing would be that there could be these kinds of people who just pick a suitable animal for themselves, and live with it, like what you said. I haven't myself noticed an increase with these kinds of people, but nevertheless I don't think it's that easy to expect a serious discussion with them. Interesting and fascinating, yes, but not always the best.

One thing I've thought is that if one seeks to get answers to his questions, one should not give up if he feels he didn't get one. Sometimes gathering useful knowledge can take time. I know it's easier said than done, even I have a lot of questions I would hope someone would give his thoughts about it.

What I've also wondered is that surely the amount of therianthropes have not lessed anyway. But where are they?
2012-10-19 17:25
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Bluewing Wrote:What I've also wondered is that surely the amount of therianthropes have not lessed anyway. But where are they?

Are you referring to the therians who were very active in the late 90's-early 2000's? If so, I'd tend to agree that they've seemed to have dropped of the face of the earth. However, I've also noticed that the older people get, the less time they actually spend in front of computers (and thus forums) as real life gets more busy, etc.

It's not that those folks aren't around any more, it's just that they found the answers they were looking for and/or then simply moved on with their lives. I myself am not in the communities seeking answers any more (not that I really ever was since I believe answers can only be found by the individual), I'm here because 1. I'm a creature of habit and I hate change and 2. I've grown comfortable and would miss it. (And yes, I suppose I'd miss the bickering too.)

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