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The ultimate choise
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The ultimate choise
Hi everybody,

I´ve read quite a lot posts on this site before posting this, but I couldn´t find something really similar. Maybe I was looking wrong (that is very possible <!-- s:-) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:-) --> ), but I hadn´t found an answer so I have a question for you.

Imagine the situation:
You are for a long time convinced that the world is not what it seems to be. You know that the reality is different and that options are infinite. Even without reading about it, it is there inside of you. But baceause you also read other people´s books, stories, opinions etc., you are slowly getting even more affirmed that you are correct.

Your casual life here, on the Earth, is normal and though you know things, you feel things, you are still caught in your closest vicinity. By this I mean that you understand little pieces of truth, but you don´t really live them, embrace them and let yourself overwhelm by them.
But then, something happens. You have departed on a journey of knowledge a long time ago. In this life, you have been on this road since your birth. Everything unalterably leads you to accomplishing your greatest wishes. Slowly, the goal is still in the far, dark and foggy future. But you can somehow sense that it is coming. That it is there.

And suddenly, you don´t know why or how, you mind elevates a bit. Again, after a long time, you can feel so strange sensations. Not like when you encountered the supernatural. More like if you would look through a very strong UV shield into the sun. Suddenly, it is not the sun you know. You know that you are now protected.. by your glasses. But those glasses are not strong enough to hide you before that specific feeling. The true understanding that there is more. You don´t know it now. You feel it.

And you are standing on a crossroads.

You can turn back, deny this understanding and live the life. Here, on the Earth with all it takes. All those puny problems and politics, woe and joy of being a human in a human body. But this requires denying oneself. Denying what one has already seen/felt. Turning back to your path, to your soul´s evolution. It requires you to slow down and postpone your ultimate goals.

Or you can push forth, live your life here but also develop everything else. Accept the truth and be one with it. But this requires smething that might be the biggest salvation and the biggest sacrifice at the same time. You have to cease being a human and maybe a man. And you must nunderstand that no matter what connection you can have with the fellow people, you will always know that it is completely irrelevant. Their woe, their joy, your life.. it is all irrelevant.


So, what would you choose? And why? What are your pluses and minuses? What do you agree and disagree with me?

Looking forward to your replies!

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2010-08-11 14:21
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Guys, please pardon me for my mistakes. It was very difficult to explain the stuff I wanted to write. I didn´t concentrate completely on the spelling. Excuse me pls.

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2010-08-11 14:25
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This seems to me to be a false dichotomy.

Embracing your "other" side and exploring that part of your nature does not mean that you have to lose your connection to other humans, or to Earth, or to life here.

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2010-08-11 17:58
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Ah what does it mean "false dichotomy"?
Well to me it seems like it is really connected. If you embrace and explre the other part, you are also going deeper into the vast unknown that lies everywhere outside our little reality. And given that those things are so fascinating and much more important than anything possibly happening here, I really see there a danger of deviating from the typical human path.

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2010-08-11 19:56
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The_Protagonist Wrote:Ah what does it mean "false dichotomy"?

A false dichotomy is when you say there's a simple decision, "this or that", in which you can't have both options . . . but there isn't.

Quote:Well to me it seems like it is really connected. If you embrace and explre the other part, you are also going deeper into the vast unknown that lies everywhere outside our little reality. And given that those things are so fascinating and much more important than anything possibly happening here, I really see there a danger of deviating from the typical human path.

Much more important than anything possibly happening here? I don't see that this life is rendered less important just because you know there's another life out there. If something here matters, then it matters. It doesn't stop mattering just because there's something "out there" too.

The most obvious example I can give is probably the best one, too. If you love someone, does exploring your otherkin side mean that your love for that person is irrelevant? Of course not. And if it is irrelevant . . . then it's irrelevant whether you're human, otherkin, or a patch of moss.

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2010-08-11 22:47
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The_Protagonist Wrote:It doesn't stop mattering just because there's something "out there" too.

Well, I must disagree on this one. Isn´t this just a macro-example of what happens in our everyday life? It´s called priorities. Why couldn´t something cease to matter because of something else?

The_Protagonist Wrote:The most obvious example I can give is probably the best one, too. If you love someone, does exploring your otherkin side mean that your love for that person is irrelevant? Of course not. And if it is irrelevant . . . then it's irrelevant whether you're human, otherkin, or a patch of moss.

Here you made a realyl good point. Especially with the last sentence. However you already count with love, which is one of the most valued "things" on this world. But what if there is not this love? Or, it might be there, but what if the unknown will simply drag you away. Even with your love. Understand, I don´t mean it, like this life is meaningless and whatever. Of course not. That would be ridiculous. I am speaking about the danger of being dragged/having your awareness dragged out of this place/time.

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2010-08-12 13:16
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The OP sounded awfully dramatic. I'm not into drama. I am into adventure though.

My life's always been weird, so what's this thing about crossroads? I take the road that looks like a road I would ike to take - pretty much like any other intersection. It ain't a big deal....
2010-08-12 23:33
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Re: The ultimate choise
Exploring something "other" or "different" doesn't steal you away from the now and normal and here.
You won't be "dragged" away.
Personal choice and responsibility is what seems overlooked here.

Also, while one can have an intense experience doesn't mean the experience is any more or less "true" than any other experience, it's only more intense. Just because you "feel" something is "truth" doesn't necessarily make it so.

I know a few people who do well in school, well in their social and personal life, and are highly active and successful (at least by my measure) in their alternative/spiritual pursuits as well. Their priorities haven't caused them to drift away from anything, they've made the choice to do what they so decide.

As Archer mentioned before, this is a false dichotomy.
It's not a matter of either A or B.
You can have both, and you can have neither.
It's a personal choice to decide what you do or do not "do" about and with it.

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2010-08-17 21:50
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You can turn back, deny this understanding and live the life. Here, on the Earth with all it takes. All those puny problems and politics, woe and joy of being a human in a human body. But this requires denying oneself. Denying what one has already seen/felt. Turning back to your path, to your soul´s evolution. It requires you to slow down and postpone your ultimate goals.

Or you can push forth, live your life here but also develop everything else. Accept the truth and be one with it. But this requires smething that might be the biggest salvation and the biggest sacrifice at the same time. You have to cease being a human and maybe a man. And you must nunderstand that no matter what connection you can have with the fellow people, you will always know that it is completely irrelevant. Their woe, their joy, your life.. it is all irrelevant.


i understand perfectly. Yes sometimes this can happen, most of the time it doesn't, not to the 100% total degree. Yeshua did something similar to the rich man when he told him to sell all he had.

to talk about it we have to know all the precise details.

Christian belief has the element to it. there's a lot leaving people with the notion in the back of their mind that they may one day be faced with such a choice.
2010-08-21 16:10
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