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The joys of being the villain
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The joys of being the villain
There are so few subjects on which I have a true passion. On another kin forum I have become the villain of one thread in particular. My opinion is far out-numbered, of course, but there is just something that comes over me as they ridicule my logic and and bring up common arguments I avoid for good reason.

This thread I speak of is about evolution. Now naturally the opposing view to evolution is creationism. However, I make a strong point not to bring up religion. I am often considered foolish and at one point my arguments were called fluffy. Certain members have even pointed me to videos on youtube, thinking that these sources are reliable (I consider youtube as reliable as wikipedia in terms user-added content).

Since evolution is untestable on a grand scale, I recently conducted a mental experiment, similar to Einstein's observations on relativity, I examined evolution from the beginning to humankind (obviously abridged). Granted, I knew my post would be seen as snide and sarcastic before I even posted it.

My question for those that read this post is this, what makes evolution so much more believable than any opposing views? Evolution can neither be proved or disproved.

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Of course the reason that I post this topic in the first place is because of the the arguments that will follow. Anything to get people to return to the forum often.

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2009-07-10 18:06
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Re: The joys of being the villain
The main reason that I put so much stock in evolution is that it makes sense and there is a good deal of evidence to support it. Many opposing views not only don't make sense, but have no evidence to support them...and/or the people who believe those views cannot back up why they do.

Do I think evolution has all the answers? Of course not, but I do think that it explains how the beings that inhabit our planet came to be. It cannot explain everything (like how any version of life got here in the first place) but it *can* explain where current life came from in terms of ancestry.

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2009-07-10 18:15
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They don't seem to mind poking holes in my theory but don't like when theirs are poked back. I have been keeping my arguments non-religious.

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2009-07-10 21:17
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Re: The joys of being the villain
*shrug* I don't really care if people disagree with me (in fact I enjoy it). A good debate is quite enjoyable as long as people remain civil and make good arguments. I had a good debate with someone at Realms of Magick on the topic of evolution vs. other theories and did Atlantis exist. It all depends on your "sparring buddies".

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2009-07-10 23:19
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Firstly, I was expecting this thread to be about the joys of being a villain. XD I adore being the bad guy.

Secondly, I have to point out how I feel about evolution first by stating that there are two separate forms of it. Micro evolution, being one, is a fact. Genetic variation occurs within a species and mutations happen on a regular, and observable basis. Macro evolution, the second, is a theory. For this, I have three (I think) points.
1. A theory is a hypothesis that has undergone tests, revisions and has turned out to be mostly correct as far as we are able to observe. It has not been successfully disproved over time.
2. There is a great deal of biological evidence to suggest that some species may have evolved into other species over long periods of time. Darwin himself observed that certain species of animals on the Galapagos islands appeared to have common ancestor species with animals in other parts of the world, and that these (now different) species often had adaptations that allowed their populations to better survive in their environment.
3. Since we have become able to study the genetic differences between species, as well as obvious physical, we also have a better understanding of the connections and possible connections between them. Many people claimed that our sharing of a common ancestor with apes and monkeys was impossible, but ceased to do so when we discovered that we share a great deal of genetic similarity with chimpanzees and other primates.

I'm not completely sold on it either way, but it does seem fairly reasonable and I can see some signs of it, myself. I don't think that we all necessarily came about as a result of a few single-celled organisms, though it could be true. And there are plenty of things that we don't yet understand.

Ooh, and a fourth point!
4. If micro evolution does exist (you can definitely witness it in micro organisms, to say the least), it seems somehow "harmonious" to me that this same system of DNA, mutation, and natural selection would be the natural, true, "elegant" solution to the presented puzzle, though there are a few discrepancies (which I feel I don't have enough information to validate).

As far as the conflicts between evolution and religion, I see the allegorical validity and choose not to interpret most religious beliefs or writings as literal. Thus, I do not believe that the Judeo-Christian God had to literally create the Earth and all it's creatures within seven 24 hour cycles for that creation myth to be perfectly valid, if that God does actually exist.

*wanted to talk about villainy* =[

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2009-07-11 0:03
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Re: The joys of being the villain
Me and Selcar disappear on some of the fundamentals of existance, and yet, we love one another deeply..
so yeah, disagreement =/= not getting along...

Also, I'm actually curious as to what "holes" you see in the "theory of evolution".

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2009-07-11 0:27
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Actually Miniar Twilight didn't say that he saw holes in the "theory of evolution" but that others saw holes in his posts when he tried to argue for evolution. Now with me I kind of blend evolution and creationism together. In order for evolution to occur there has to be more than one evolved form and they have to be able to mate. Now I don't know about you but I would think that the odds of that happening are astronomical so there must be some intelligence guiding it. Also the evolution does not appear to be random as one would expect. Just my thoughts for now as I'm getting tired and need to go to bed.


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2009-07-11 13:36
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We don't much see anything that we would consider an opposing view to the theory of evolution. The stories of creation / creation myths that we know aren't anything that we would look at to explain the mechanics of all that much. In them are a multitude of answers about who created life and maybe sometimes why. Nor do we see much in the way of who or why in what we know of the theory of evolution. They are answers to different question sets that touch on a commonality.
So I can't really say why one is preferable to the other to believe in, but then I don't see why I should choose between creation and evolution.

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2009-07-11 19:39
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I think one of the best ways to be the villain would be to play Devil's Advocate. That's a great way to examine both sides of an issue while appearing as the villain (at one time) but actually usually remaining rather neutral. Also, don't villains laugh more? Laugh more, live happier!

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I have listed websites that listed arguments for and against evolution. They think I haven't thought about the subject at all because I choose to believe differently. When I have described evolution and when they have redescribed what I stated, they have only added details that I skipped due to time. For all the holes they've poked in my comments I had the knowledge to plug up.

Contrary to common belief, I do know as much as the average person does about evolution. Since, like creationism, we cannot know for certain about the beginnings of evolution (I wasn't there to my knowledge). Darwin had to practice theoretical science. He had to build a world in his mind and play the story out. I did so as well, only I updated the thought with more current scientific knowledge. After all, Darwin had very little knowledge of atomic make up of proteins.

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