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The "Elements"
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The "Elements"
What do you consider the elements to be, in terms of magick, energy work, etc?
What are the qualities you ascribe to them?
Do you ever do energy work with these elements directly, or do you think of them as more of "guidelines" for describing various similar energy patterns?
Have you ever encountered an "elemental" and if so, what were your thoughts and experiences with it?
2008-08-04 19:52
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Re: The "Elements"
I consider there to be 10 "passive" elements and two "outer" elements. The ten passive elements are dark, heat, life, earth, water, electricity, air, spirit, cold, and light, with each element having an opposite and the further from the center of the line, the harder it is for the elements to properly mix. The outer elements are order and chaos, although I suppose that it is possible that life and spirit should be placed in this definition as well.

The qualities that I attribute them are too obvious to me to put into words.

Both. I can manipulate energy using elements as a touchstone, or I can manipulate energy with the idea of elements in the back of my mind.

Yes, but mostly just here. In other lives, I don't know. I met a lot of "people", but classifications didn't figure much.

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2008-08-04 20:19
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Re: The "Elements"
Spanky Wrote:What do you consider the elements to be, in terms of magick, energy work, etc?
Drat. With that bolded statement you just took away one of my favorite things to do on forum topics that want to discuss elements.
A recent example of what that is:
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Alright, to answer the question, when doing energy work I don’t believe in those stereotypical basic elements (earth, air, water, fire) since they’re anything but basic. Their either a combination of various forms of elements or just a type of energy that is given off durring a reaction between others.

What I do believe regarding them, in terms of magick, energy work, etc (you clever, clever girl) is that there is internal and external energy. So I either manipulate/work with my own energy or the energy in the environment around me.
(I don’t mess with other people’s energy, so I’ll leave my speculations on that part out.)
Concerning the outside energy sources I break that down into elements like more depending on what they feel like then what they could be. And since I only do it on my own and not with a group (anymore) I haven’t really had a need to come up with names or categories things as I go since I just clear mindedly feel around rather then focusing my mind on categorizing what I’m doing.

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2008-08-05 5:25
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Re: The "Elements"
a copy pasted reply as I just answered this elsewhere.

I like the system as offered by the ancient greeks where the four elements (earth, air, fire, water) are affected by the contradicting forces of "love" and "strife" because it lined up with modern psychological theories on crisis and development. That and I like many of the tarot definitions and it feels "accurate" to me..

Fire - The burning heat. Stands for passion and destruction. It is the fire in your blood, the heat that paints your cheeks in a red toned colour when you face someone you really really like. It's the hunger that drives you to excell in work and school too. It's an adrenaline rush, a jealous act, a aching desire, a burning hatred. It is "passion".

Air - The cool breeze. Stands for impulses and the impulsive mind. It's fears and doubts and hesitations. It's the draught through your house and a whisper of a foul rumor travelling like the wind. It's gossip and jokes and excuses. Flighty explanations and white lies, big and small, to others and yourself. But it's also playing like a child, letting loose the impulsive self, eating icecream in february just for the heck of it. It's the absense of responcibility.

Earth - The solid foundation. This is the home and hearth, the arms of family, the good reasons and a warm and cozy bed. It's reading a book and taking it to heart. It's factual and logical but also warm and comforting. It's taking responcibility for your actions and being solid and intelligent enough to stand up for yourself as a human being. They don't call it "down to earth" for nothing. There's also the chance it can grow stale, hard, immobile, stubborn and unrelenting.

Water - A freshwater spring, or an erupting geiser, even the frozen river. The seat of creativity and emotion. Be it the gentle caress of honest love, or the raging storm of frustration. It can be as cold and as cruel as the sea, and as warm and comforting as a warm shower with a loved one. It's the drive behind the artist's eyes, the tears on the canvas.

Love and Strife or Chrisis and Development are the contradicting poles on the scale.

Strife/Chrisis = The things that hurt us, the things that we call dark or evil or painful or in any way "bad". As much as we don't like it, it's neccicary. It is death, but death is needed. If no tree dies in the woods then the woods become stale, If nothing dies then none of the many species of life that require food in the form of "something that which used to be alive" (which happens to be almost everything).
This is what pushes the whole world, forcing it to move and change.

Love/Development = The lessons learned. It's growing from the pain we feel. It is learning not to play with hot things after you've been burned! This is what comes after death. It is the newborn, the food we eat and the new growth. It is the bright green and even lawn, two days after a good mowing. It's a warm hug at the end of a long day.
This is what pulls us on, brings us back up on our feet.
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Balance and Chaos are two things I don't "really" believe are all that different from one another.
When there is an equal amount of all elements and an equal amount of love and strife (which is more or less how things usually are) and all the different inputs are working together and everything is moving in perfect harmony like a well oiled machine, you have perfect balance. I don't believe this is at all possible for more than some 5 minutes at a time.

When there is an equal amount of all elements and an equal amount of love and strife (which is more or less how things usually are) and the different inputs are clashing and in conflict with one another and everything is moving fast and outside of your own control like a rushing lavine, you've got chaos. And guess what, that's life.
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That's however, just my take on things.

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2008-08-05 11:18
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Re: The "Elements"
Spanky Wrote:What do you consider the elements to be, in terms of magick, energy work, etc?
What are the qualities you ascribe to them?
Do you ever do energy work with these elements directly, or do you think of them as more of "guidelines" for describing various similar energy patterns?
Have you ever encountered an "elemental" and if so, what were your thoughts and experiences with it?
Fire- In my language, this element is commonly known as F'iarea. It is the burning desires, the driving forces. It is obsession and other things like that. It is also connected to lust, obviously. This energy is particularly useful to use to get rid of negative energy quickly. I personally call it immolating.

Water- This is the dreams, the hopes, the artistic aspects. Vaguely connected to empathy. Highly connected to psychic visions, abilities, and the like. Balance, and emotions.

Earth- This is the more earthy, binding and comforting energy. This is the solid energy that holds you up when you need help, the comforting energy that you know will be there. too much can feel smothering though.

Air- Viciousness, but necessary nonetheless. Logic is connected here, as it is in Earth but moreso in air. While it may seem flighty, to me it is a very logical, to the point of ridiculously logical, energy.

"Light"- Me, I don't subscribe to the "light" and "Dark" things, it's too cut and dry for me. I just see it as life, and destruction. Both are extremely fascinating to me. Light energy can shift from benevolent, healing, protecting, purifying and cleansing energy to divine fury, bent on burning the "evil". -Note, I don't subscribe to the "good" and "evil" thing either.-

"Darkness"- This can be called many things. I refuse to call it void because to me, it's not. Dark energy is distruptive, similar to chaos but one-sided. It can be very good and pleasant for revenge, or frightening if you refuse to accept the darker parts of your personality.

Chaos- Chaos/Balance is everything. Chaos is everything all jumbled together, does what it wants, it's very warm to me, like a massage chair. Turbulent and comfortable. Balance is slightly more orderly than that, but not by much. Both have all the elements and therefore are none.

A'Raelys, aka all. This is a mixture of every energy. Including Chaos. This is simply existance itself.. A'Raelys means "of All".


I tend to use elements in rituals rather than just "magick". and considering that I believe myself to be extremely close to a pure elemental (except in a human body), yes.
2008-08-05 15:40
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Re: The "Elements"
Yin-yang! Probably the best symbol ever made.

Black and white are opposite and equal, chaos and order together forming the whole (apparently women are chaos and men are order, but I say BS). Taoism likes to get a bit more detailed and attribute 5 elements with the yin-yang (also called taijitu) that are also used as directions: Wood, Fire, Metal, Water, and Earth. I do throw in Air from traditional western elements for my personal preference, and make earth yin instead of being both, with air being yang, but I'm sure many traditionalists would balk at me and stick my head on a pike.
2008-08-07 3:43
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Elements are.. nonexistent, as far as I am concerned, unless we're speaking of the Periodic Table.

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2008-08-07 4:45
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The periodic table make up these generic element's we're talking about. Besides, it's all for symbolic purposes, at least in my view. Doesn't have to be physically real.
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WhiteFox Wrote:Yin-yang! Probably the best symbol ever made.

Black and white are opposite and equal, chaos and order together forming the whole (apparently women are chaos and men are order, but I say BS).

Yin and yang are comparisons, not absolutes - they aren't dark and light, they're "the dark side of the hill" and "the light side of the hill". As such, with everything in Taoism, something can't be (say) yang - it can only be yang in comparison to something else.

Not sure if that is related to what you were getting at, but I disagree with a lot of the lists of what is yang and what is yin - but the lists themselves are inaccurate anyway, as something can only be understood as being on one side, because it is defined in contrast with something else on the opposite side. Up is only up because there is also down, we only recognise music because we recognise white noise. Etc, etc.

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WhiteFox Wrote:Yin-yang! Probably the best symbol ever made.

Black and white are opposite and equal, chaos and order together forming the whole (apparently women are chaos and men are order, but I say BS).

Yin and yang are comparisons, not absolutes - they aren't dark and light, they're "the dark side of the hill" and "the light side of the hill". As such, with everything in Taoism, something can't be (say) yang - it can only be yang in comparison to something else.

Not sure if that is related to what you were getting at, but I disagree with a lot of the lists of what is yang and what is yin - but the lists themselves are inaccurate anyway, as something can only be understood as being on one side, because it is defined in contrast with something else on the opposite side. Up is only up because there is also down, we only recognise music because we recognise white noise. Etc, etc.

Maybe I wrote this wrong? What you're saying is what I said, both the duality ideas and the disagreement with yin-yang categories...I just didn't go into much detail and used generic terms. Sorry if I confused you.
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