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The Dragons of Modern Culture
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The Dragons of Modern Culture
chaitea Wrote:Dragons have been apart of nearly every culture and society since culture and societies existed. What can we say? The people love us.

From evaluating various cultures, and the myths and legends which are part of said cultures, it is fascinating to see how the dragons reflect upon them (or vice versa, depending on one’s perspective). Now, consider this day and age. The dragons of Dungeons and Dragons seem to have become the dragons of our society in this era. They are in various stories written for entertainment during this time period, as well as having influenced other stories and the minds of many along the way. Though being loosely based off of traditional dragons, they have truly become their own category and breed.

Other modern dragon have also sprung up, affecting the modern perspective as well, yet to different extents. another common example is that from the works of Tolkien. Smog is a classic example today's modern dragon (it sounds contradictory, but it some how works) which most people associate with (so it's not only the elves that have been branded because of this series).

Another trend I noticed is that, being unable to have conflicts with dragons the way people did way back when; people today now create adventures to have conflicts with them. They are still the ultimate challenge and adversary, only in a different sense. They are posing as a challenge in the sense of a game now rather then for the purpose of learning a lesson or obtaining a great truth and/or treasure.
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Well not sure if i have any thoughts that were said ' already but i do see where you comeing from and from some of the dragons i know i know they use fiction to help influnce me back in the day and or still.
and i find it interresting how alomost every culture has had dragons in them.

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2008-01-14 6:51
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the fact that there are dragons in almost every society and that is one of the reasons that i feel as dragons existed in ether this realty or some other one.

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2009-04-28 16:28
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farlane Wrote:the fact that there are dragons in almost every society and that is one of the reasons that i feel as dragons existed in ether this realty or some other one.

A large number of cultures also have stories about girls who by various means were picked up off of earth, lifted into the heavens and were transformed into stars. This does not mean that it happened. Nor do those stories mean that dragons ever existed on this earth.

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2009-04-28 23:21
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Let's also add in the fact that the "dragons" of these various cultures typically look nothing alike except for the ones that are snakes... Dragon was the european word for the unknown ("here be dragons" on the edges of maps) and any large, mythical reptile. This is why for some strange reason we now group European dragons/wyverns/drakes with the Oriental Lung/Ryu and the various Serpents, winged, feathered, or otherwise decorated. They look, and act, *nothing* alike. It's like trying to say that a tiger and a mouse are the same, simply because they are both mammals.
2009-05-01 21:31
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Those last two posts were awesome points. Nice helpful, humbling reminders that yeah, we could be completely mistaken. And a fun cop-out counter would be along the lines of “I have faith” and bs.

Sure dragons are everywhere, but it’s not always the same dragon. Which is one of the reasons I personally have a hard time grouping all draconic otherkin together. The dragons we relate to can be so different from one another. Add in our individual human differences and you have a right mess. So generalizations have never seemed to work for me in our group. Along with the fun fact that we could all be wrong

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Shiari Wrote:Let's also add in the fact that the "dragons" of these various cultures typically look nothing alike except for the ones that are snakes... Dragon was the european word for the unknown ("here be dragons" on the edges of maps) and any large, mythical reptile. This is why for some strange reason we now group European dragons/wyverns/drakes with the Oriental Lung/Ryu and the various Serpents, winged, feathered, or otherwise decorated. They look, and act, *nothing* alike. It's like trying to say that a tiger and a mouse are the same, simply because they are both mammals.


err i have to disagree to a degreeTongue dragons have a few things in common over all but your very right in that its hard to classify them under one name. But the how they act part is another thing that is based on perception like "why were the European dragons considered monsters/bad and the Oriental dragons revered/nice? <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue --> " my guess for this is that in Europe at that time was full of wars and legends of fighting great beasts ended up with the "GLORY TO THE FIRST MAN TO DIE...CHARGE!!" syndromeTongue where they made something that looked like it would be a challenge into a monster to test their "heroes" against (so the dragons could have been peaceful) and in the east the people focused more on peace both with nature and with themselves so then their idea of dragons would be different. so with that in mind it makes it very hard to say that type is violent and those aren't and so on. :rant over

If you bothered reading this il post a disclaimer now that this is utterly false unless dragons existed on this plain but that is rather doubtful

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Draken Wrote:err i have to disagree to a degreeTongue dragons have a few things in common over all but your very right in that its hard to classify them under one name.


Oh?

Western: Mammalian body type, legs placed directly underneath, large membraneous wings, 6 limbed.
Wyvern: similar, lacking front limbs.
Drake: similar, lacking wings

Lung: reptilian body type, legs placed at angles to body, typically not winged, hair, obvious crocodilian/fish influence.

Various serpents of the world... snakes. Sometimes with feathers. Sometimes with wings.

Those look pretty darned different to me.
2009-10-30 17:29
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lol i concede the point <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin --> just for me i can see where the idea if classifying all the types as dragons is coming from. human standpoint (overall): Dragon=big scary thing with lots of scales and teeth. and the fact that making multiple names for existing dragon types would be a nightmare because there may be like two to a class? i agree with you but i think any changes made officially will and up like the attempt of changing the name of "fish" into "sea kittens" (not very well)...humans are almost as stubborn as me O_O that must change <_<

The view of dragons has been changing in the last 30 or so years to them being more friendly so my "human standpoint" statement up there isnt really based on fact, just on how they where put forth when i was born and so on though my life but im sure that that's how a lot of the previous generations felt. so i have to thank the literature of the time for that. Be it the Dragon Riders Of Pern, Eragon, etc...for helping to change that view. (D&D shows more of the old view)

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However different dragons all look if you showed anyone at all a picture of any one of them and asked them what it was, nearly every person on the planet would say a "Dragon of some kind". Surely this mean they must have some things in common or people wouldn't be able to do that?
There are lots of arguements about whether or not dragons were ever real on the physical plane, and while I admit it is unlikely it's not impossible. Just because we haven't found any evidence yet doesn't mean it isn't out there somewhere, it just means we haven't found it yet. No-one believed in the existence of dinosaurs until the first bones were found. They've only been identifying dinosaur bones for a couple of hundred years, (The first recorded find was a huge thigh bone found in the UK some time around 1670 and the first genus wasn't named until the late 1800's) in the span of time that's not very long. There are so many places on the planet we haven't been yet, mountains we haven't seen the whole expanse of, oceans we've never seen the bottoms of, and we all know that oceans have moved over millenia so what is now wet area in many cases was dry land at some point.
Now I am not saying Dragons existed, I am not saying everyone should accept that Dragons were real on this physical plane, I am saying that I don't know, and I keep an open mind simply because I don't believe all the evidence is in about Dragons yet, and it might be possible.
2009-11-05 22:56
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