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Some Advice?
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I was looking through the Angelic Roll Call thread in this section, and what baffled me the most was how people remembered so much about being an angel "on-the-job", such as what they did, who they knew, etc...

And I was wondering how you all came to such assumptions, and what techniques you used to discover such details. I'm rather stuck right now in this sort of soul-searching, and I need a little help. I guess, in all honesty, I just don't know where to start. I don't know much beyond being an incarnate angel. I have a few tentative suppositions, but I'm not sure how I could search deeper into this. I know I should meditate on all this, but I haven't been getting much results, and I don't know where to look first...I think I'm stuck.

So I was hoping you all could offer some advice on this. How did you go about figuring what you know out?

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2010-04-02 4:04
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One of the problems with this is that such is a frustrating journey.

You know how you might hear a particular song which reminds you heavily of another time or specific event? I recovered most of what I know through just that, going about my life and suddenly having a realization of nostalgia and not knowing why. As this developed further, I have learned to analyze and explore these more.

They come every now and then, and by this point frustration has dulled itself out and I just go about my living as per normal.

As much as meditation and the like is good, if you struggle to attain a memory or truth about yourself as an Angel, it is entirely possible for your mind to invent a new one and make it quite believable.

What also helped me was discussion and questioning on forums (decent ones as well as abysmal ones). Reading good forums got me thinking and started having me agree or disagree and allowed me to focus on why I inherently felt that way. Reading bad forums gave me abhorrent disagreements on many levels in which I could then start to disseminate into more reasons and possible Angelic ingrained tendencies as to why. Not that I recommend going to bad forums, but even the foolhardy fluff fests can hold a benefit, even if that benefit is abhorrent disagreement.

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2010-04-02 4:24
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What I know has been figured out after many years of waiting for it. Eight years now? And I really don't have that much to go on, honestly. A name, a vague idea of what I did and what I looked like, some places, and a very few familiar-faces that I'll probably never have names for. Or names that sound familiar, but having no bloody idea of why. I'll probably never get any more detailed information than this. That's alrighty by me, though... the only thing I really wanted to know was my name, and now I have that, I don't need anything else to be satisfied.

What's helped me along the way is definitely discussion with other folks. I rather faithfully post-stalked Terro for a while... he knows his beans pretty well, and is a pretty good guy to learn from when you're starting out. A lot of other folk on other forums have helped me greatly, as well. I think it's rather important to mix it up a bit... don't just go to one forum for discussion, but have two or three others to pop into from time to time. That'll keep your brain all nice and stimulated, and open for new ideas that might not exist in a particular community (even the best otherkin groups can become rather homogenous over time, so mix it up to keep from stagnating).

Music has also helped... sometimes I'll put something on, and it'll trigger a strange feeling. I then pop it on repeat and let the feeling develop until I can figure out what it is. The last thing I've used to figure out things out is sleep deprivation -- it's the only way I can get remotely close to going trance. That method was how I finally figured out a name for myself, so I consider it very valuable.

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2010-04-05 20:44
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Thanks for that Q, and I fully agree on music, it can be quite the catalyst.

On the note of people who've helped along the way, sometimes the most logical and skeptical can be an incredible aid, I feel that a few individuals like Lopting and Lucky-Seven taught me a lot (which I regrettably admit was while I was arguing with them on things that they were or most likely were correct on, but in my inexperienced state I was happy enough to accept as near gospel truth). I wouldn't advocate complete skepticism though, sometimes you have to just be open and accept everything that comes in the net before analyzing it.

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2010-04-07 1:57
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Oh heck yeah, Lopting was definitely another guy I found to be very interesting and helpful in his special flavour of skepticism. If it's a calm, rational, and non-threatening sort of challenge, I'd definitely say stop and consider that point of view when digging through potential memories and ideas. Even if it turns out that their point of view was less fitting than your own, it widens your scope and understanding. That's almost always a groovy thing.

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2010-04-07 2:59
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I love Lopting. Always makes me think from a totally different perspective, which is very helpful.

I've had a lot come back to me in the past few months, but of course it's full of holes, and my logical brain is putting it all under a lot of scrutiny.

Honestly, if something or some kind of action feels natural to you, look into it some more. I'm a natural at certain activities and feel most natural mindsets, and its certainly helped me cement my kin-type more and more as I look into it.
2010-04-07 3:55
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the best thing to think is that if it's too good to be true... it is

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2010-04-07 17:15
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Well, I've tried a few things, and what I've got so far is knowing that the situation cannot be forced.

A few things came up during all this, but I somewhat doubt their significance. How do I know that these things are legitimate or not? But anyway, I tried past-life regression. I was on an airplane coming home, and the turbulence and my overall drowsiness helped me into a meditative state. I tried to do what was suggested for past-life regression, but the image kept fading in and out. Then, all of a sudden, I was flying down this tunnel in the earth to a wooden door, and the door opened to reveal...blackness. Absolutely nothing. I jerked myself out of it immediately.

My reasons for doing past-life regression was to answer my questions about my identity and life as a working angel. I have no idea what the blackness means. Perhaps there was something there before, but now it's been erased. Or it could have always been a dark void, or maybe I did the technique wrong, which might be likely.

What I've been doing recently has gotten me no answers. I've been doing Tarot for myself recently, and always the Devil shows up in the reading. But recently, there was the Devil, the Star, Death, and the Moon (ordered by importance. I laid all the major arcana face-down so I couldn't see them, and chose the four cards that felt strongest to me). This means to me that I'm eating my heart out over this and I shouldn't get too caught up into it, but I should still have faith in myself, because I'm on the right track. Actually, I haven't worked out the full meaning of this yet, but it means I still have things to solve and I'm going through some sort of shift with this situation.

The Tarot cannot totally confirm or deny things for me, I know, but it helps me see the situation from another angle.

I tried music, and while it gave me thoughts about "heaven" or wherever I was as an angel, none of it gave me a full-fledged sense of nostalgia. The only time I could remember having nostalgia is when I was a little girl, and looking at the sunrise or the sky always gave me that sense. I remember once when I was on an airplane (see a pattern?) and I was looking out the window and up into the blue. That was when I felt the strongest sense of being an angel who wanted to "go home", but I've never consciously said so.

So far, I think I have a mess to sort through.

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2010-04-07 18:15
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Trance states leave you very suggestible and, like dreams, can cough up random brain garbage or highly abstracted information. They can also be useful, but as with any information source it's necessary to be critical and to compare to other sources.

Recording what you learn, however you learn it, and the date is important. Memory is slippery enough in this lifetime; having all of the details written down can help you to confirm if different pieces of data agree with each other or not. Withholding some details from others when comparing notes is also good for cross-checking. In some cases you may want to write down what you know separately, then give the two (or more) accounts to an independent party for comparison.

Divination is good too; we sometimes use it as a double-check.

The only perceived celestials in our system seem to be so on an allegorical level, aspects of someone else. Our own experiences with the predominant kintype in here, however, has been pretty similar: random spurts of information, over time. It tends to be consistent with the way we remember information about this lifetime, which we take as encouraging: It feels like it's coming through on the same equipment, at least.

Questioning is also good, though we haven't been lucky enough to pin down many others who seem to have the same origins. Archer was very helpful in resolving some plurality-related stuff; being asked a lot of potentially annoying questions works for a lot of things. ^_^

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2010-04-07 19:35
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It took me my whole life to piece out my experiences and strange dis-belonging, to finally come to the conclusion only a few months ago that I'm an incarnated angel. When i was 4-6 years old, i already had the heart of a mother, the mind of an adult, morals of an angel, and love of like no other. I forgave people immediantly when they did wrong towards me, i would fall in love with peoples good intentions and goals(which i still do) and encourage them greatly. I wouldn't know how to play with kids, talk to them, or how to act, i sometimes forgot how to physically talk or use english. I somehow knew how to speak different languages without ever being taught about them or how to speak them, like sometimes i would respond to people in Hindu, Latin etc. according to others who would hear me and ask me how i knew how to speak those, i wouldn't know what the hell they were talking about because i thought to myself "what? it was just a slip of the tongue, i was speaking jibberish." Such as once when a girl in my preschool fell off the swing and cut her knee, i rushed over and put my hand to wound and automatically began speaking in some other language, it was a healing spell i believe, afterwards the girl stopped crying and said "thank u! it dont hurt anymores!" after that one of the teachers came up and told me "i thought your parents were mexican, how did you know how to speak in tongues?" i just stared confused..

Then when i went to kindergarten, the bullying still didn't stop, in fact it worsened, so i sat by myself during recess and watch the kids, studying them and wondering why they would do certain things, i felt i couldn't understand human beings at all and the way they would act, what most astonished me were how cold their hearts were mostly..so one day i decided to stay out in the playground because i didn't want to go back in class after getting kicked around and hit just for trying to give a boy some flowers(guess he didn't like the feminity of it?) so i was walking around in the open field and i looked up at the sky and for some reason the words "take me back home" popped in my head, but i wasn't talking about my house, i was talking about going back up to the sky. I couldnt look away from the clouds, i was just beginning to feel a big, emotional, longing for "home" again, and just then i felt myself being raised up from the ground slowly and gently, and then i felt something growing out of my back and unfolding, beginning to flap, like wings. Thats when i heard a soft womanly voice tell me "Dont worry, you'll be coming home soon sweety, just hang on." something along the lines of that. Then i was slowly placed back on the ground, the wings went back in me, and i walked back to class. not knowing what happend.

My life is one big, long sad story, but i know that my whole life people have always felt strangely comfortable being around me and opening up to me about their problems, even the most serious of issues. Most were strangers, they even would say "i dont know why I'm telling you all this, i don't even know you, but i trust you for some reason." I noticed that alot of Otherkin were attracted to me also, demons, dragons, werewolves, vampires, ghosts(not otherkin lol), and others. They would quickly fall in love with me, open up to me, and tell me they felt a strong positive and happy vibe from me. Sadly, i couldn't say the same for them Tongue i felt terrible energy coming from them, but i felt positive energy when they would tell me what they felt.

In my dreams, mainly happening when i was a child, i would always be flying around in the sky with small little angel wings, playing with small cherubium angels, for years i would see the same ones over and over, i know they had names for sure, sadly i don't remember them anymore, at times i recall them, but i quickly forget again XD but i remember they would always tell me how much they missed me, wanted me to come back, and ask me to play longer with them when i had to leave. When i would wake up, i would feel like i actually fell onto my bed, like i was dropped from the sky o.O For some incarnate angels, when they sleep, their angel soul leaves the body to go see their old heavenly friends, or help out other human beings secretly, when you wake up, you don't remember a thing, but sometimes i would come across a certain person and they would see me and stare at me like they would know me, come up to me and ask me stuff like "hey! i remember you! last night you helped me with____"..I have gotten quite a few, but i wouldn't remember who they were or anything, but for some reason they would look familiar to me.

i noticed that i can see the good and bad in people when i first meet them or talk to them, i can sense their type of energy. I even know their names or how they look like before i meet them sometimes.When i sense bad, i do my best to try and improve whats bad about them, help them become a better person for themselves and others. Thats what incarnated angels do also. So just a couple of months ago i looked up incarnated angel, and found i fit in nearly all the categories for one <3 i always collected alot of angel things also. So yeah thats how i pretty much how i found out i was one, and plus 2 of my funny guardian angels told me also <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> hehe!
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