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Religion:Starting from Scratch
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Religion:Starting from Scratch
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I would like as much input on this as possible. In your opinion, Can religion be a good thing? A way to unite people around shared principles, in order to improve not only their own lives, but their community and others as well. And to that end, what would be 'Required', bare minimum, for this religion to function and not be used as a tool like many around here are used. OR.. Do you believe that spirituality is better left anarchic and leave the Unity to the governments or some other insentient social entity?

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2009-02-15 10:54
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Re: Religion:Starting from Scratch
I think religion can be beneficial. That being said I don't think people should have to follow a specific doctrine to the tee and/or follow a religion blindly. Personally, my spirituality is a mix of whatever applies to me. I keep what works I throw out what doesn't. I'm not big on organized religion, but I do think that some version of personal spirituality is a good thing.

Hope that made sense.

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2009-02-15 15:02
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Well, religion IS a tool, a tool to express what we believe and feel. Being a tool isn't a bad thing, it's how one uses it.

I could use a hammer to build a shelter with, or I could use a hammer to throw at people with. It all depends on the user.

I think it just depends on the people. Organized religion works for many cases, and fumbles in others. Humans are social creatures after all, so it makes sense that group religions would exist. Besides, government, culture, and religion can all be intertwined, with one influencing the other. A lot of predominantly Christian countries like in Europe or America have laws that reflect the various fundamental rules in Christianity.

Is that a good thing? Well, I think it depends on how strictly those laws are interpreted, and what laws are being used. Things like "no murdering" and "no stealing" are generally good, because allowing such things to happen causes problems for people, and disrupt the peace that is needed to function together. But things like abortion and gay marriage I think is too varied in responses to be ruled under the realm of Christianity, and should be placed outside of religion to make the best compromise possible.

In general I'm ok with religion and religious groups. Since it's so varied, it really depends on the specific groups I run into, not the actual religion itself.
2009-02-15 20:42
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WhiteFox Wrote:Well, religion IS a tool, a tool to express what we believe and feel. Being a tool isn't a bad thing, it's how one uses it.

I could use a hammer to build a shelter with, or I could use a hammer to throw at people with. It all depends on the user.


Agreed, and on another note it is refreshing to see someone else with that view.
2009-02-16 17:29
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I think idea's are a much better thing than religion or beliefs. Ideas can change with new information plus no one ever got hurt because someone else had a different idea than you.
2009-02-17 0:24
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Sheogorath Wrote:I think idea's are a much better thing than religion or beliefs. Ideas can change with new information plus no one ever got hurt because someone else had a different idea than you.


I agree with this and it's good to see that someone outside of a movie has the same view.

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I believe it is a good thing--it helps people unite and feel part of something; it gives people hope; it gives the will to live. It also helps instill morals because if you think that if you do something bad, it'll lead to something bad after this life, you're more willing to do good.

I just think that as long as the people are the extremists, then it's fine.

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2009-02-17 0:36
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Sheogorath Wrote:I think idea's are a much better thing than religion or beliefs. Ideas can change with new information plus no one ever got hurt because someone else had a different idea than you.

Right. And Socrates wasn't offered hemlock tea because his ideas didn't fit in at the time. Sometimes religion might provide some of the rhetoric around the framework but, that doesn't mean that part of it isn't the ideas. Martin Luther King Jr was killed for his ideals, the Loyalists were tarred and feathered because they wanted to stay loyal to the King. And that is just off the top of our head.

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2009-02-17 18:52
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While in the midst of planning and composing an article on the "Left hand Path" approach to the occult(in its satan-free forms) I noticed that the very things for which it is valued tends to make it less.."social" compared to the more "divine-oriented" religions/paths, and while that works for some people(in fact, solitary mages can accumulate tons of unique experiences) I rather relish the idea of a community of like-minded Individuals, who gather around their shared(or at least similar) goals and values to contribute to the proverbial archives, thereby benefiting all. However..keeping "Order" without excessive restriction on the actions of the members, especially on a large-scale is..well, it is not easy. The "splintering" of many groups based on specific ideological differences is evidence enough of that. And at that point I realized how much more potent a "Hero" or role-model can be to keep these groups united; a "god" for instance.. *sigh* Very troubling..

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Sounds like what you want is science, not religion. There's no central God, and the scientists pretty much do their own thing and then publish the results. They do have a commonly accepted methodology though, and they must follow it to gain the respect of their peers. They also must contribute something that is perceived to be valuable to the group in order to gain respect.

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2009-02-18 16:02
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Motley: Indeed. My hope however was that the two are compatible. At least the occult is still considered by some to be a science. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> Plus, we mages get to wear some wicked outfits and shuffle around in dark corridors. <!-- s8-) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8-)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8-) -->

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