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Rant about health stuff
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Rant about health stuff
So anyway.

In my natural state, I am one of those annoying people who is very athletic and very lean despite eating whatever, whenever. I normally live on a diet of McDonalds and chocolate and sugar-filled cocktails, consumed until I am stuffed. Prior to getting ill last year even on that "I feel peckish, let's eat 6 bars of chocolate and half a litre of ice cream" diet, I had a reasonable six pack, decent muscles elsewhere, and low body fat. Just my natural metabolism at play. Even on my hockey teams, my cardio wasn't the best but I have always, always, always looked the most in shape.

Then when I was sick, I lost the muscle due to not eating and not exercising, but at least was still thin.

So now I'm on steroids. They're making me better, which is great. But the main short term side effect of steroids is they turn you into a ravenous eating machine who has only two states of existence - a) eating or b) hungry to the point of abject misery. So I've put on some weight. My clothes are tighter. I have visible body fat. I gather that almost everyone has some visible body fat, but that's not me - hell in school when they'd use calipers to measure our body fat, mine was always marked as unreadable because there flat out was no body fat for the calipers to grab.

But this is not the bad bit.

This is the bad bit.

Even though I am way out of shape by my own standards, and find it pretty disgusting, I am still in better shape than almost everyone I know (yes, including people on my hockey teams). So if I say "Oh god, I am fat. Look at that stomach. That is unspeakably disgusting. Oh god, oh god, oh god" . . . I'm saying it to people who have considerably more fat than me so it sounds like "Wow, you're so fat I can't even look at you without vomitting!"

So here's me, sitting here turning into a ball of lard, unable to even complain because the whole damn world is made of lard already and complaining equals insulting them. ARGH!!

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2009-02-05 9:12
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Why you are on Steroids? I do not get the sense of using steroids, the side-effects are too many.

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2009-02-05 11:29
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Dude, if it wasn't for the distance, I'd drag your ass to the gym with me!

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2009-02-05 12:35
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So you take steroids for muscle-mass building? Bad idea, very bad idea. When your aggression level increases and all that stuff that comes with the misuse of steroids, you may realize your mistake. Here in germany this useage is prohibited because of the mass of side-effects (gynaecomasty for example - a rather harmless side-effect).

It is not my thing to give you adivces on your goals, but one thing spring into my mind: If your goal means to do harm to your body by this steroid useage, then you urgently should rethink your goal or the means of reaching it. It is your life.

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If the steriods are helping and you're feeling better, why not go to the gym if it bothers you? Or, try watching what you're eating. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

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Valamezar Wrote:So you take steroids for muscle-mass building? Bad idea, very bad idea. When your aggression level increases and all that stuff that comes with the misuse of steroids, you may realize your mistake. Here in germany this useage is prohibited because of the mass of side-effects (gynaecomasty for example - a rather harmless side-effect).

It is not my thing to give you adivces on your goals, but one thing spring into my mind: If your goal means to do harm to your body by this steroid useage, then you urgently should rethink your goal or the means of reaching it. It is your life.

She's on them (I assume given past posts about brain related stuff) because of health issues, not to become a rage infused ball of muscle. My aunt is also on steroids because she has severe asthma. Steroids are something doctors usually don't want to keep people on for long because they are pretty detrimental in the long term. Hopefully you can be weened off them in the not so distant future, Archer, and get your physique back <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->

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Ever consider you have Anorexia? On a side note every one needs fat in order to survive Archer, even Bruce Lee had SOME fat, regardless of how little it was. Fat is not unhealthy, being overweight or obese is and it doesn't sound like you are either of those. You need to figure out what your ideal weight is for you height and age. On a side note I have to throw out a cliche, as is my nature, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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Valamezar Wrote:Why you are on Steroids? I do not get the sense of using steroids, the side-effects are too many.

The side effects are indeed potentially unpleasant, but in the short term are manageable and far, far, far better than not being medicated.

Valamezar Wrote:So you take steroids for muscle-mass building? Bad idea, very bad idea. When your aggression level increases and all that stuff that comes with the misuse of steroids, you may realize your mistake. Here in germany this useage is prohibited because of the mass of side-effects (gynaecomasty for example - a rather harmless side-effect).

It is not my thing to give you adivces on your goals, but one thing spring into my mind: If your goal means to do harm to your body by this steroid useage, then you urgently should rethink your goal or the means of reaching it. It is your life.

I think this is the first time I have actually been genuinely offended by a poster on this forum.



Fact: I spent approximately 9 months with a severe and rare form of encephalitis.
Fact: It nearly destroyed my career.
Fact: It nearly bankrupted me.
Fact: It turned me from being a fit and healthy person who exercised regularly into someone who was literally unable to walk 100 metres.
Fact: It caused me to lose almost 10% of my body weight.
Fact: The illness I had has a mortality rate of approximately 30% . . . higher given how long it took me to get a diagnosis. It is a near miracle that I am even alive today.
Fact: It has potentially caused PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE to me and prior to me taking steroids, the symptoms of same included barely being able to read and a very, very dramatic drop in my IQ levels.
Fact: My neurologist came up with the idea of using steroids to treat me, which was a somewhat off-the-wall idea.
Fact: Within 48 hours of the treatment beginning, I was able to walk, I was able to run, I was able to think again, I realised that for the prior 9 months I had basically been a zombie.
Fact: Within 6 weeks of the treatment beginning, I was able to return to work and have, so far, been able to function in my old job - which is very difficult and has a high degree of responsibility.

And yet, your response isn't to say "Huh? How come you're on steroids?" Your response isn't to read through any of the several posts I have made on this very forum touching on any of those points.

No no no. Your response is to assume I am taking anabolic steroids for the purposes of athletic improvement. You apparently do not even understand that anabolic steroids are not the only kind of steroid, given that I did not say anything that could be remotely interpreted as being related to anabolic steroids. AND you top it all off with a bullshit piece of patronising "oh, it's your life" garbage.

Can I say "Go fuck yourself?" on this forum? If so, go fuck yourself.

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Nameless Wrote:Ever consider you have Anorexia?

Lol, that made me laugh. Prior to being ill, my apetite was fairly normal and I had no body image issues - in fact if anything, my goal in exercising has always been to gain weight, as a combination of my lifestyle and diet (as in food I eat - I have never in my life been on a "diet" in the sense of using eating to control weight) makes it tricky for me to gain muscle.

I'm actually super-lucky in that my appetite naturally responds to my needs. If I'm playing hockey 5 days a week and need a lot of calories, my body craves grease and fat and all those wonderful things and I happily provide it - on the other hand in the summer when I tend to do very little exercise, I am much less hungry and take in far less food.

Quote:On a side note every one needs fat in order to survive Archer, even Bruce Lee had SOME fat, regardless of how little it was.

Oh absolutely - zero percent bodyfat = death. My natural amount of bodyfat has always been close to the safe minimum for a female athlete. If you picture a female Olympic middle distance runner, or possibly a smaller, leaner sprinter - that's my natural level of body fat.

Quote:Fat is not unhealthy, being overweight or obese is and it doesn't sound like you are either of those.

I'm not unhealthily fat, but I do currently have more than my "natural" level of bodyfat and it's rather vile. My entire life, my stomach has been flat - and for a big chunk of it, it's been a washboard. Not through obsessive fitness rituals (though I do generally work out quite a bit), but just through my natural body shape.

So now, I tighten my jeans and there's a little bit of fat at the waistband and I'm like . . . oh my god. It's not me.

I actually find fat pretty vile in general - I mean if someone else chooses to be curvy rather than choosing to be Bruce Lee (to use your example), that's fine; but it's never a choice I would make.

Quote:You need to figure out what your ideal weight is for you height and age.

It's nothing to do with weight - my ideal weight would be a good bit above my current weight, because I want to gain muscle (most of the weight I lost while ill was muscle, and it will take work to get it back). It's an issue of body composition - in my case my "natural" (and very much preferred) level is about 10% bodyfat, maybe slightly more - and I'm way above that now.

Quote:On a side note I have to throw out a cliche, as is my nature, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

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Freetha Wrote:Dude, if it wasn't for the distance, I'd drag your ass to the gym with me!
Elinox Wrote:If the steriods are helping and you're feeling better, why not go to the gym if it bothers you?

Prior to going back to work, I had a joyous couple of weeks of three workouts and one hockey session a week. Felt awesome, felt like being me again! Unfortunately work takes up a huge amount of energy and hours and until I'm a lot better I don't see me being able to get more than two hockey sessions and one weights session a week, grrr. On Monday I'm considering asking my boss if I can go down to four days a week for a little while (for reasons of energy and wakefulness) - that would give me a little breathing room.

Quote:Or, try watching what you're eating. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

Says someone who has never experienced the joys of 12 mg of dexamethasone a day - that's the equivalent of potentially as much as 240 mg of predisolone <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

It's actually potentially a great opportunity for me, if I can get scheduling worked out well enough for me to get to the gym. The main issue when building muscle is being able to eat enough to fuel it - it's damn difficult, with an intense muscle buildign program, to get enough calories into your mouth so that your body can actually do the work. So the idea is, if I stay on this stuff for any length of time, that I use the insanely high appetite as a way of fueling myself with lots of yummy lean protein and such and thus get back into shape.

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(There's someone new sitting at work beside me. She's genuinely overweight, and I'm not saying that in my normal anti-fat-Nazi way. Every now and again she'll make some comment about my meds, and I'll be all "Yeah, I'm still eating like crazy" and she'll be all "Oh don't worry, you're skin and bones!" or something stupid.

I bite my lip and smile. I'm not some couch potato made of lard, I'm a damn athlete - and I have the appropriate standards.

When my IQ was down, if I emotionally said to some idiot "Damn, I can't understand things like I used to" and they replied "Don't worry, you're still smarter than I am!" that would have annoyed the hell out of me too. I'm intelligent - very. I'm fit - very. This is me. One or the other being weakened is tough to deal with, especially when you have to deal with people who are very definitely not very intelligent or very fit . . . and as such don't understand why it bothers you that you're approaching their level.)

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Valamezar Wrote:Freetha, I asked Archer. I did not know that you and Archer are one person <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->
Actually, I was responding to Archer and not you.
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