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Rúnagaldr and Readings.
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Rúnagaldr and Readings.
I've decided to host a thread with Freetha on the various aspects on runes (the futhark) of the Teutionic/Norse tradition. Hopefully when we put our heads together we can cover the runes from a mythological perspective as well as a modern day metaphysical one. From creating staves or using them as a divination tool, or even the (theoretical) function in which they work. So let fly with the questions and hopefully there'll be some good discussion.
There's also offerings of casting the runes if requested - just give us a general area, etc, as with tarot. Just do not expect them to be too accurate, like any divination tool there's room for error in interpretation.

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2008-02-28 19:53
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Re: Rúnagaldr and Readings.
If you'd like, I can offer help as needed as well. I've been working on and off with them for two and a half years, and have a few books on the subject (including Diana L. Paxson's Taking Up the Runes.)

Not to infringe on your idea; just thought I'd offer ^^

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2008-02-29 22:57
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Re: Rúnagaldr and Readings.
A second point of view is always welcome. And you've already reminded me that maybe a little background information is in order.

I've been studying the old norse/teutonic religion for well over ten years now. My first contact with it was in third grade in school, back when I was nine, and from the first moment my curiosity was peaked. I've read olden manuscript texts, poems, sagas, and everything I can get my hands on. I have studied the runes themselves and rune-magic for about ten years now. I do not presume to know everything about them. The general consensus is that no-one can ever know "everything" about these olden faiths and magics. I do however know them and the traditions and the old texts well enough to spot the common mistranslations and misinterpritations.

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2008-03-01 12:14
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There are three sets of runes - Freya's, Týr's and Heimdallr's. Any thoughts on why these three?

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Selcar Wrote:There are three sets of runes - Freya's, Týr's and Heimdallr's. Any thoughts on why these three?

Who are you asking? If it's me, then here goes:

My thoughts on the subject are that they're significant of the wider IE Triple Realm concept - Lower, Middle, High. I've never heard or read a similar interpretation, though. My reasonings are that each of the gods in question have a sense of liminality, in which they're neither of one place or the other; however, they're also associated with a particular place at the same time. One could see a similarity in which each aett is its own thing, while at the same time being affected and affecting the others as a part of the whole.

Freya in particular is an interesting choice for the first aett (though I've also seen it attributed to Freyr), being neither Jotun nor Aesir, especially since all of the runes in her set can be related to aspects or traditional stories of the Vanir. Fertility, strength (as a wild/semi-domesticated animal), protection (as Thurneysen ascribes), travel, wisdom (through Her dealings with Odin), inspiration and seership (seidh), gifts and abundance, and family and hearth.

Similar things can be seen in the other two, though less directly obvious. In my experience, I would associate Freya with the Lower world, with her obvious femininity, disposition toward dwarves, and indirect relation to the Jotuns through her brother. Heimdall, being the Bridge Guardian, can be associated with Midgard proper (as well as Asgard). And Tyr, being the former King-God, is in the place of the Higher world.

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2008-03-01 16:54
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Re: Rúnagaldr and Readings.
My preferred explanation of the three groupings is seen if you look upon the runes, and their meaning, and context. It's a trinity, and a symbolism in such. Not so much a symbol of the three tiers of the world but a symbol of trinity in existence.
Freya and Freyr are syblings and have similar influences so it's only natural that the references to which one is in charge of the first Ætt of runes can vary. Both of them handle natural things for the most part. The runes of the first ætt tend to reflect upon nature and magic and the natural state of things. The beauty, strength, and magic in nature sort of thing.
The second ætt, or Heimdalls ætt, deals in the constants and changes. The turning of the wheel as well as stagnation. It seems more abstract in it's concepts than the first.
Týr's ætt is more physical than the others. More of the now and the everyday than the other two. The home, the people, the work and the vitality of things is found there, along with justice and similar concepts.
In that way I'd count the runes of Tyr's ætt more on the midgard level than the other ones if we were to see it as a world-layer thing.

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Freetha Wrote:Týr's ætt is more physical than the others. More of the now and the everyday than the other two. The home, the people, the work and the vitality of things is found there, along with justice and similar concepts.
In that way I'd count the runes of Tyr's ætt more on the midgard level than the other ones if we were to see it as a world-layer thing.

True. But, in a way, the third aett is about concepts-as-greater, when compared to the other two, which (in the IE paradigm I took before*) would naturally correlate with the Sky-gods and Upper World. Yes, there is home and work and such. But rather than the practicality of Jera or the constant physical presence of Isa in winter, the third aett consists of things like Justice, Balance, Rebirth, Humanity (as opposed to the individual Man), and Friendship or Symbiotic Relationship like the one between men and horses - things that, by their nature, are abstract.

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*I'm in no way saying that it's necessarily a cut-and-paste thing; after all, each IE culture expounded on their common roots differently, sometimes in highly divergent manners. There are very few parallels between the Greeks and the Norse, per se, unless one looks very deeply.

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2008-03-01 18:50
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Re: Rúnagaldr and Readings.
That's the thing 'bout the runes. They do cover all things in a sense, both the ideal of a thing as well as the thing itself and as such are quite open to inerpretation. Which is why it's quite handy to have more than one to read it.

The number three is recurring throughout the norse/teutonic system, it might just be for the sake of the three. Heimdallur as a god is much more pleasant than half the runes in his ætt, the reasons probably aren't something we'll figure out that easily right now.

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Three seems to be fairly common throughout Europe, actually - The Fates, the Horae, the Graces, Dies Matronae, the Morrigan, Brighid, the Three Gods of Ireland, the Zorya, the Norns, the Hindu Trinity...

And he certainly is <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue --> Though I imagine He'll need to be rather savage to take out Loki in the end, which may be implications of things like Hagalaz.

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2008-03-01 19:56
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Hagalaz has a rather broad meaning, can be something as simple as closure. I'd figure it's there because of the massive ordeal that the fight with Loki is said to be, resulting in Hagalls death even.

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