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Physical Shifting!
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Physical Shifting!
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This oughta be fun.

What are your thoughts on this supposed phenomena? Is it possible? Is it plausible? Do you have any theories as to how it *could* be possible (even if there's a snag in the theory for why it won't work)?

Have you dealt with anyone claiming they could do it? If so how did that turn out?
Have you ever seen it in person? Have you ever done it?

Do you have any other stories to tell about it?

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I've known a few people online who have claimed various methods for p-shifting. One such guy claimed he could hypnotize others, and cause them to physically shift into whatever he commanded. I even talked to one of his patients - she truly believed that a "time-warp transformation" had taken place. (In other words, he had supposedly gone back in time using hypnosis and changed her into what she is now.)
Most of the ones I spoke with aren't quite so eager to reveal their super-secrets with me, however. Normally they just scoff at me for asking for proof, or at the very least an explanation for how it's done.

I believe that it may be possible, but highly implausible. I don't have much understanding of anatomy but my theory is that all you'd need to do is rearrange your DNA sequence. However, this would probably not only take more energy than the human body contains, but it is questionable whether the subject would survive a successful transformation. There is also an enormous potential for error, which could cause cancer and other strange, undesirable things. Finally, while undergoing such a transformation, the mind would most likely become warped and unstable, thus ruining concentration, making errors even more likely (if not totally inevitable.)
2008-08-11 17:32
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Moved to the therian section since it's therian-centric. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

Ah, the age old debate: physical shapeshifting, is it possible? Much as I would like it to be possible, unless someone out there is hiding some valuable information, it simply isn't with human anatomy. Besides, do you know of any other animal that can change it's shape to another animal? Animals mimic each other yes, but not outright changing from a bee to an alligator. I have this deep-seated wish that it is somehow true, obviously being what I am I would jump at the change to try it, but I just don't think it's physically possible in this reality. However I'm always open to listen to people who claim to be able to do it.

And I have come across a few people who claimed they could do it. Most of them were simply newbies who thought being a therian was "cool" and didn't take it seriously anyway. However after some serious questioning within the community, they usually leave in a huff at not being believed. Outlandish claims = not being believed; go figure!

There was one instance though, shortly after I came to the online communities, where a girl IMed me on Yahoo messenger and claimed that she could make me physically shapeshift over the internet. I was obviously curious, and secretly wished for it to be true, so I talked to her for awhile and let her try her practices on me. It was a bit like hypnosis where she suggested things and asked me questions. And at one point she told me to focus on my hands and that she would "make the hairs grow longer" and I did feel a bit tingly, but the power of suggestion is a powerful thing. I attribute the tingly feeling as nothing more than subconscious wishful thinking on my part. Needless to say, she didn't make me shapeshift and I haven't talked to her since. Guess my skepticism threw off her "magic groove" and powers. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> She really did try hard though so I've got to give her credit for that.

But if anyone can physically shapeshift, please provide some evidence because there are some of us out there that would love to learn! <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

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2008-08-11 18:28
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I do not think that p-shifting is possible. Why? Because physics, biology, anatomy, chemistry...basically all of the physical/natural laws of earth prohibit it. So the only way for it to be possible would be for the laws of earth to change...which I don't see happening, say, ever.

I mean...you'd also need some kind of compound DNA, which is also either never going to happen or would take about another 2000 years of evolutionary time to come about.

I've come across a few people who have claimed to be able to do this, the most extreme being a woman who said she had internal wings that folded under her ribcage (I kid you not). Another who wanted information on a "magical werewolf transformation belt"...and plenty who ask about p-shifting saying "how do you do it and don't tell me it's impossible".

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2008-08-11 19:19
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This oughta be fun.
You just had to go there, didn’t you? <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->

Spanky Wrote:What are your thoughts on this supposed phenomena?
That it is a complete and utter load of crock.

Spanky Wrote:Is it possible? Is it plausible?
Almost certainly not.
As a nursing major in college, I’ve taken quite a few courses along the likes of Anatomy and Biology. These hard sciences are so because they have consistently been proven time and again. Knowing this, I am well aware of how our bodies work on multiple levels (especially cellular).

Not even considering the amount of energy or laws of conservation of matter (since those have been done to death and ignored enough that this topic is still alive and kicking anyway), think of it this way:

Your body has so many cells which are created and die each day. They each have a very specific function and conduct it well enough that you're quite alive and functioning on at least some level. When a cell undergoes a change to that routine, the result has either ended in untimely cell death or mutation (and not the fun kind  hi cancer!). We don’t notice it on a small scale since its one cell out of oh so many. But when multiple are affected at once we begin to feel it (to an extent, depending on the specifics). In all cases known, any sort of change like this on a large scale has not been pleasant and resulted in much damage to body both in where the change was taking place, as well as the other tissues (specifics depend on circumstances). So if there was to be a change all around, I can only imagine the ill effects let a lone the pain that would take it’s toll.

So if (for whatever reason) one’s body did undergo a process that began to change it in such a way that would cause it to be other then human, they’d probably die from shock before ever looking more akin to how they feel they should (unless, of course, that look would be “dead.” Then they’d be spot on).

Spanky Wrote:Do you have any theories as to how it *could* be possible (even if there's a snag in the theory for why it won't work)?
Deus ex machina

Spanky Wrote:Have you dealt with anyone claiming they could do it? If so how did that turn out?
I spend most of my night job on otherkin forums and websites, so of course I have.
It didn’t turn out all too well for them. These people with their outrageous claims sure are ballsy on the internet, but once you call them out one on one it turns out they either crack, are so far gone in their delusions that they see their very human arm as something other (when it’s clearly not to the rest of us who aren’t so far out of our minds) or they say a change in their eye color is a sign of progress and carry on down the road to lost causes.

Spanky Wrote:Have you ever seen it in person? Have you ever done it?
Nope and Nada.

Spanky Wrote:Do you have any other stories to tell about it?
Met a gal who claimed she was on her way to a full out shift to her true form. When asked why she believed so, she’d say how she could turn her brown eyes to a medium golden-green color.

When I told her I could do the same, and then proceeded to show her, she got all excited that I could do it to and asked if we could work together to achieve a full body shift. And me, being the terrible tease of a bad person I am, outright laughed at her (a nasty habit I can’t seem to shake).

When I could breathe again, I explained that it’s not because of a self induced p-shift but rather because I have hazel eyes (which she probably does as well). They are usually brown, but when I am over tired or fearful (or sometimes just any old strong emotion {though what actually changes the color is more the way light enters the eye as opposed to how i happen to be feeling, though the two can be interrelated}) they become green. And the fact that she actually believed that of herself made me quite scared that someone can be that stupid and yet still capable of breeding, thus i could change them more on the spot then usual. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

Needless to say, she huffed off and hasn’t told me any more of her crazy since.

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2008-08-12 7:12
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As far as our understanding of the universe goes, the jury votes "Impossible."

However, I have a very specific belief that changes it to "Extremely improbable."

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2008-08-12 8:42
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I've never run into a first hand account of somebody claiming to be able to physical shift. Since I haven't even read an account that sounds like it could possibly in a full blue moon be true, I'm considering it a good thing I haven't. The fact that somebody would believe their eye color changing meant something on such a large level is just amazing in today's world. Mine can change to a certain extant from blue, green, and gray, but only because my normal eye color sits on the edge of all three of them.

I rather like Spanky's theory though. I can see the thinking there and I think it makes complete sense.

My theory is that people might have been able to a long time ago. Stressing very much might. It's more of in my thinking that if it was ever possible it was lost a long time ago. If it was genetic abilities , it's possible that the trait would have died out by this time. If it was a learned art, a lot of learned art of various forms has been lost in general.

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One of the most controversial and deeply heated debates in all of the therian community.
I’ve never dealt with or met personally someone who claimed to be able to physically shift from human into something else, though I have had discussions with people who state that sometimes there eyes appear to have change color by some degree. The few that I have met are open to idea that it is actually more or less a trick of light or some other natural phenomena.

I’ve never seen physical shifting myself and never done it either, but how it would be so great if it actually could be done. In a lot of ways, the critical thinking part of my brain says physical shifting is absolutely impossible by any stretch of the imagination. but deep in my mind I still like to think ‘maybe’ in some way. I have to admit the thought is mostly wishful thinking, but what can I say. All in all though even it was some how in someway possible I think it is highly unlikely.
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Earth Listener Wrote:One of the most controversial and deeply heated debates in all of the therian community.

Not remotely controversial here though, where the tone is kind of "Physical shifting, that's a load of bull, right?" "Yeah." "Totally." "I've never even heard anyone claim it!" etc.

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chaitea Wrote:Your body has so many cells which are created and die each day. They each have a very specific function and conduct it well enough that you're quite alive and functioning on at least some level. When a cell undergoes a change to that routine, the result has either ended in untimely cell death or mutation (and not the fun kind  hi cancer!). We don’t notice it on a small scale since its one cell out of oh so many. But when multiple are affected at once we begin to feel it (to an extent, depending on the specifics). In all cases known, any sort of change like this on a large scale has not been pleasant and resulted in much damage to body both in where the change was taking place, as well as the other tissues (specifics depend on circumstances). So if there was to be a change all around, I can only imagine the ill effects let a lone the pain that would take it’s toll.
So basically, same as my theory but with actual schooling behind it <!-- sBig Grin --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- sBig Grin -->

chaitea Wrote:Met a gal who claimed she was on her way to a full out shift to her true form. When asked why she believed so, she’d say how she could turn her brown eyes to a medium golden-green color.
Lawl. (Warning: Bragging ahead) I've actually yet to meet someone who can top my eye-shifting. They are normally a medium to dark greyish-green color, which I call "stormy green" but I have had people report them as any shade of blue, bright green, bluish-green, pure grey, or with a jagged gold ring in it. I have a picture of myself (in poor lighting) where it appears my eyes are a reddish-grey, (EDIT: It does not look like typical red-eye since the camera did not have a flash) but since it was poor lighting I won't take it as reliable. I'm not sure how to make them change on purpose, but a complete phantom and mental shift normally does the trick.
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FangedWriter Wrote:My theory is that people might have been able to a long time ago. Stressing very much might. It's more of in my thinking that if it was ever possible it was lost a long time ago. If it was genetic abilities , it's possible that the trait would have died out by this time. If it was a learned art, a lot of learned art of various forms has been lost in general.
Well, if you do some research on Native American Shamans, you will find they believed shamans had the ability to assume the form of a wolf, a bear, and other animals both in astral/spirit form and physically. They normally did this for religious/spiritual journeys to gain enlightenment.
It's also accounted that before a physical transformation, the shaman would oft smoke from the "peace pipe" or perhaps consume a few mushrooms of the psilocybin variety.

So, I guess it's only possible if you are having a psychedelic trip. <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->
Which btw, from personal account, is highly convincing and enjoyable. No I do not condone the use of drugs. Do so at your own risk.
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