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Perfectionism?
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Perfectionism?
Archer Wrote:
Archer Wrote:Why do no otherkin have a fat trueform? Huh?

It's just very funny to me, all the people who have "physical" trueforms (which I would generally expect to be less maleable than energetic ones) tend to being thin, athletic, attractive. No fat ugly elves, no dragons with unaesthetic wings. The attractiveness of people's "true forms" generally seems so much more, well, up on the scale than that of the bodies they are in right now.

This is quoted from the "true forms" thread in the art/expressions forum, I thought I would make a new thread for consideration.

Does your true form resemble a "better-looking" version of yourself? In other words, does it (symbolically or literally) encompass traits that you would otherwise feel lacking in?

For a few examples:
Do you relate to the power and strength of the wolf because you felt weak during childhood?
Do you relate to the beauty and supremacy of the angel because you were made to feel ugly and insignificant (or for whatever reason, you would believe this of yourself in the absence of being otherkin)?
Do you relate to the mystery and strangeness of the elves, because you feel yourself to be bland and uninteresting otherwise?

Basically, I'd like to contemplate the possibility (which has been suggested to me by others) that Otherkin beliefs may stem from inherent self-confidence issues. Probably going to be a touchy subject, so if you feel like you're going to get angry, just don't even bother with this thread.

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Personally, I don't find my "true form" to be any more attractive than my physical form- at least, not the form I took while I was coping with a lot of different things at once.
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This form, the human part of it anyway, looks just like I do. There are just a few things different:
Exaggerated tallness. She isn't any skinnier than my body; she is just a helluva lot TALLER and longer. Also, I normally draw this form with the eyes closed, because I feel like my eyes are cross-eyed and don't match each other. One would look normal, the other would look...like it had ink and blood spilled into it. I have a feeling this relates to my ability to "see" from 2 (or more) different points of view at once. I'm not interested in her wings being perfectly groomed- or perfectly damaged. They just are whatever they are at the time. I also try to make her look somewhat gender-neutral, since that is how I see myself in terms of psychological gender (though, those pics are both bad examples of this.)

Feel free to engage in psychoanalysis of yourself or others! o_o
2008-04-07 20:37
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Re: Perfectionism?
Actually, I don't see my forms as all that much different from me. This body feels odd, otherwise I feel totally normal o.O;; Erm.. lets see...

This one that Spanky drew pretty much portrays me almost perfectly when I'm in a rage.

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<!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> When I go into a "rage" as I call them, my eyes get darker. My hair looks not really that much like that, because it's a lot longer and brown in this lifetime but otherwise I look pretty much the same.

At this point, all I feel I am lacking is understanding and the love that comes with the "soulmate" idea.
2008-04-07 20:58
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I remember at least a few other bodies from before. What mostly is different with this body is that it's taller, much taller, and it's of the "wrong" sex.
I don't draw on my kintype for any sort of strength or anything like that, if anything I draw on my experience as a human being to control my impulses.

I don't feel like my original shape is more "attractive" than this one, in fact, I don't think "attractive" is a measurable trait. I know that the body I have right now is more than a little attractive to the person I live with, and that's what counts. Mind you, I wouldn't be too adversed to making some adjustments to the current form but most of that is sorted through diet and exercise, something I'm already working on.

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2008-04-07 21:26
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[quote="Spanky"]Do you relate to the beauty and supremacy of the angel because you were made to feel ugly and insignificant (or for whatever reason, you would believe this of yourself in the absence of being otherkin)?[quote]

-checks- Nope. Still feel that way even being an angel. But that's cause of unrelated personal issues.

To consider the original question... Of the forms I have, the ones that aren't human-looking aren't exactly ... "desirable." Who wants to be a giant freaky circle, after all?

So, I don't know. Instinct would say that it's not just compensation, but of course, I can never be completely sure of that.

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2008-04-07 21:35
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This is me before:

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This is me now(as in 2 minutes ago):

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Obviously, I am VERY ATTRACTIVE regardless of my body. <!-- s:happy_demon: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy_demon.gif" alt=":happy_demon:" title="happy demon" /><!-- s:happy_demon: -->

Being perfect, fyi, is for peoples with sticks up their bums. <3

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2008-04-07 23:17
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simim23 Wrote:This is me before:

[Image: 29546c5.jpg]

This is me now(as in 2 minutes ago):

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Obviously, I am VERY ATTRACTIVE regardless of my body. <!-- s:happy_demon: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/happy_demon.gif" alt=":happy_demon:" title="happy demon" /><!-- s:happy_demon: -->

Being perfect, fyi, is for peoples with sticks up their bums. <3

true. and yer pretty ^_^ in both forms XD lawl
2008-04-07 23:31
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I've never gotten a clear mental image of what I look like as a wolf, so I can't really say either way. But from what I do know, physique-wise I guess I'm pretty average: neither "fat" nor "scrawny". Most wild wolves are actually kind of mangy looking and not floofy and pretty so it doesn't really apply to me. As a child I was picked on for various reasons, some physical and some not (I was happy and apparently that bothers some people) but I don't think that has any bearing on my being Otherkin. Like anyone, I have self esteem issues, usually related to my physical appearance, but I'm smart enough to know that everyone experiences that so I know it's not related to my being a therian. And for the record, looks may be nice but they're not everything.

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2008-04-08 1:05
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Well tiger me is well...a tiger, and since I'm currently human I obviously don't look like a tiger...but humanoid me is a bit taller and has a much better figure than I do now...I could psychoanalyze myself and say it's how I wish I looked, but it's how I see past me in my memories. So am I psychoinfluencing my memories? I don't honestly know. You've gotta think that chances are human us isn't related to kin us in any way but as a vessel for our soul, so why would it look like we did?

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Spanky Wrote:
Archer Wrote:
Archer Wrote:Why do no otherkin have a fat trueform? Huh?

It's just very funny to me, all the people who have "physical" trueforms (which I would generally expect to be less maleable than energetic ones) tend to being thin, athletic, attractive. No fat ugly elves, no dragons with unaesthetic wings. The attractiveness of people's "true forms" generally seems so much more, well, up on the scale than that of the bodies they are in right now.

This is quoted from the "true forms" thread in the art/expressions forum, I thought I would make a new thread for consideration.

Does your true form resemble a "better-looking" version of yourself? In other words, does it (symbolically or literally) encompass traits that you would otherwise feel lacking in?

For a few examples:
Do you relate to the power and strength of the wolf because you felt weak during childhood?
Do you relate to the beauty and supremacy of the angel because you were made to feel ugly and insignificant (or for whatever reason, you would believe this of yourself in the absence of being otherkin)?
Do you relate to the mystery and strangeness of the elves, because you feel yourself to be bland and uninteresting otherwise?

Basically, I'd like to contemplate the possibility (which has been suggested to me by others) that Otherkin beliefs may stem from inherent self-confidence issues. Probably going to be a touchy subject, so if you feel like you're going to get angry, just don't even bother with this thread.

~~~

Personally, I don't find my "true form" to be any more attractive than my physical form- at least, not the form I took while I was coping with a lot of different things at once.
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This form, the human part of it anyway, looks just like I do. There are just a few things different:
Exaggerated tallness. She isn't any skinnier than my body; she is just a helluva lot TALLER and longer. Also, I normally draw this form with the eyes closed, because I feel like my eyes are cross-eyed and don't match each other. One would look normal, the other would look...like it had ink and blood spilled into it. I have a feeling this relates to my ability to "see" from 2 (or more) different points of view at once. I'm not interested in her wings being perfectly groomed- or perfectly damaged. They just are whatever they are at the time. I also try to make her look somewhat gender-neutral, since that is how I see myself in terms of psychological gender (though, those pics are both bad examples of this.)

Feel free to engage in psychoanalysis of yourself or others! o_o


It's funny I was actually thinking about this today. As far as angelkin being appealing because of beauty, I don't want to sound vain here but my job title is beauty department manager, I get compliments on my looks every single day, so feeling ugly isn't really a problem. Insignificant? Yeah, my 'true form' is that 5-10 lbs less that I could probably afford to loose, but I would say the same for any perception of myself, when I dream I don't dream myself as having a lil extra giggle on my arms and stomach, I'm streamlined, I'm ME minus the extra. I'm honestly suprised when I see a photo of myself and I look a lil heavier, they say the camera adds 10 lbs, maybe we subtract 10 lbs in our heads. Well I guess everyone feels insignificant from time to time, but as a child I was told I was special and smart etc, I probably have more of a problem with that now than then (I feel like I'm avoiding the question) This is a tough one b/c part of me goes duh, I would like to feel more significant and being kin might actually fulfill that for me a lil, but the other part says if anything angels are almost less significant than humans (I'll give you an argument that I don't agree with but some find convincing) angels were created first, but God clearly favors humans, angels are servants who don't get to chose to follow or not (unless they want to be kicked out) unlike the free will humans have, God made paradise for humans gave rule over the earth and it's species etc. etc. Anyway I think in the all and all of it I think I wouldn't choose to dilute myself for the small amount of significance being kin might have me feel because If I weren't I wouldn't have to worry about being a bad Christian, or lying to myself or just being crazy.
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Ever since I blossomed, I have been beating off the boys with sticks. Being in the army (DLIFLC too, Xanth!) was a major wake-up call to my confidence and I still get met with catcalls if I walk to the corner store today. But I've never really put any importance on looks and being attractive to me is nothing more than an afterthought. Especially now in my life: Kids, husband and I'm happily off the market. I don't mourn the loss of my ability to sow my wild oats; actually being married has caused me to embrace who I am asthetically even more. When I draw my appearance as my kintype, you are looking at me with perhaps less feminine charm. My kinside is also less intelligent than my current self and relies more on reflex and reaction than the thought out notions of me now. I don't believe than who I am is dependent on any lacking facets of my mundane life or unresolved childhood issues. Who I am is just that. I didn't choose it or mold it around some preconcieved attack on my psyche to make living this life more tolerable.

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