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P-Shifting and Energy
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P-Shifting and Energy
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Hrothland Wrote:@Seraphyna: your name sounded way to familiar, I'm quite active at OKA as well. I guess we had a discussion about it was possible to do a physical shift.

Oh? And what do you believe? Do you think it is possible to have a physical shift?

I think it is, since DNA is mass and according to E=mc^2 it is possible to convert energy into mass. It could be painfull, that's why the best chance is trying to shift when you're in a deep meditative state.
2009-04-15 5:51
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If you want to physically shift by changing your DNA, you'll also need months (or years) for the new proteins coded by the DNA to actually grow, and in those months you better hope that your immune system doesn't notice.

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2009-04-15 15:53
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And even then if the DNA changes, doesn't mean anything is going to happen unless something triggers a growth spurt. Depends on where it is I guess, and some areas might change and other not. And yeah, good point, the immune system might not be too happy with that idea.

If you're going for the mass equals energy angle just go whole hog and do it all at once. And you do realize that's the same equation which gave people an idea on how to make nuclear weapons, right? Not sure I'd want to be on the same planet as someone who was undergoing a shift like that...

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2009-04-15 16:00
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It's not that I'm trying to do so. It's that I thought about the posibility
2009-04-15 18:47
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Well, if you manage to do it make sure you record it on video to post for us as proof....and please try physical shifting in a fallout shelter so as not to blow us all away...literally...

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2009-04-15 21:09
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And regarding that as a "possibility", I would love to know how E = MC 2 translates to "physical shifting is possible".

Roughly speaking DNA works by having little blueprints for making different proteins and such. Yes, DNA can be changed . . . but for those changes to come into action new cell growth is required, a process that in some parts of the body takes years. In the interim, there is a high liklihood of the body's pre-existing immune system recognising the new cells as alien (eg cancerous) and trying to obliterate them.

There is also the high liklihood that interim stages would simply not be viable. Some stomach cells (for example) reproduce very frequently. Could the stomach lining of a new species allow digestion in a manner to provide nutrition to a body mainly of the old species? (And on and on and on for whatever permutation you like.)

Finally with regards to "energy", I don't know if this is relevant to this thread, but it might be so I'll raise the issue anyway. The "energy" of E = MC 2 is not the same thing as the "energy" of energy work. The latter refers to chi, ki, psi, whatever you want to call it. It's a subjective phenomenon that has thus far not been measured by science. In the former sense, however, energy is the amount of work that can be accomplised by a force. Different concepts.

If you have any theoretical or hypothetical suggestions for how a physical shift might happen, I'd love to hear them in as much detail as you have. Unfortunately otherkin forums have lots of people who want such things to be possible, but a distinct lack of people who have either accomplished it or even have a sound reason for believing it can happen. If you could provide the latter, it would make great reading for a lot of interested people.

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Seraphyna Wrote:Well, if you manage to do it make sure you record it on video to post for us as proof....and please try physical shifting in a fallout shelter so as not to blow us all away...literally...

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Aww. Shows you what I know about fall-out shelters <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue --> Well, you get what I mean.

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2009-04-15 22:55
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I am inclined to believe that physical shifting is indeed possible, but the energy required to create a large change is enormous and typically very difficult to contain. While I feel that it is possible to physically shift, it would be

A) Incredibly painful unless you manage to do something to your nervous system beforehand (not recommended...)

B) Hard to collect and maintain enough energy, especially during those intense moment of pain.

I *have* had adverse physical effects to taking in spirits, but it's nothing large-scale, and we're talking about something that has quite a bit of energy, not even counting its "source". It didn't happen immediately, either. In order for an instantaneous change, the energy alone would probably be enough to create a rather large and noticeable explosion should it be released, very easily tearing your body apart and producing effects similar to a small or medium-sized bomb. Considering the amount of energy you can take in while in a physical body without causing irreversible damage isn't even near this threshold, you'd have to store it outside of your body and then draw upon it during those moments and hope you have enough control to keep that energy there. If it dissipates mid-transformation, you're in for... well, let's just hope that you don't live too long.

Kudos if you can do it without going squish. Theoretically *possible*, but realistically impossible with the current resources of today.

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Seraphyna Wrote:Well, if you manage to do it make sure you record it on video to post for us as proof....and please try physical shifting in a fallout shelter so as not to blow us all away...literally...

A fallout shelter will stop radioactive particles getting in . . . it won't stop the BOOOOOOM getting out <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

I guess it gives only a boom when you change back, since the human body is lower in energy.
2009-04-16 15:03
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