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P-Shifting and Energy
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Hrothland Wrote:If I take a look at these examples I guess psychic energy could be converted in "shifting energy".

Show me some examples of psychic energy being converted to, say, kinetic energy and we can work from there.
Well that seems to be the problem, I can't. I only have examples of other energy being converted to one another, and every physicist I know says all energy, doesn't matter what type, can be converted to another. It may not be very efficient, but there is a posibility

Well, to be quite honest, I say that the "energy" we know today does not follow the laws of the energy of E = mc^2. Just to top it off, does it require a medium, or can it travel through vacuum? Is it affected by other forms of energy? What qualities are inherent in all of the known energy that you can measure (kinetic, i.e.), and does the "energy" we have fit within those boundaries? If not, then I doubt that E = mc^2 would work, since it is an equation that works with the energy that has been observed. If the "energy" we have does not fit within the bounds of the energy he observed, then we cannot assume that an equation designed to work specifically for those types of energy will apply to ours, as well.

Yep, I already suggested that the "energy" involved in "energy work" is something totally different from the "energy" of physics, but hey.

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Post: #22
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I guess you just weren't loud enough Archer. Did you lose your forum megaphone or something?

And uh, I know jack squat about physics, but wouldn't there be other factors involved besides that one law? We're of a different form than light, and we're affected by other things as well. Bit more complicated than a beam of light (as if a beam of light is even simple to begin with).

And wasn't the ability to change from mass to energy based on a speed that is currently impossibly for the human body (or any organism's) to get to? There'd be that combination of both the energy and the speed...and I don't see how a human, or anything for that matter, is going to get both at the same time in enough strength/speed to transform.
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I wonder do we have to reach a certain speed to shift, it could be only the energy that has the speed.
And yes, we are not only light so there are more factors in it.
2009-04-18 13:33
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Hrothland Wrote:I wonder do we have to reach a certain speed to shift, it could be only the energy that has the speed.
And yes, we are not only light so there are more factors in it.

Ummmmm...... we can't seem to recall any part of the biology we have learnt indicating that the human body is comprised of light to any extent.

That said we have yet to see an answer that deals with the nuts and bolts of p-shifting here in any meaningful way. Is the mass going to become energy and then be reverted back to mass? Is the energy somehow going to transform the mass directly? And just saying E=MC^2 means M=EC^-2 does not explain how you are using that equation in the mix. Nor why you are choosing to use that equation. Until we see answers that actually address the hows concretely with supporting rationale we will continue to believe that p-shifting is not possible.

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Post: #25
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I still fail to see how "You can convert matter to energy" translates to "you can change the biological matter of your body into different biological matter of a different species with a different basic DNA structure without imploding"..
I don't see how one even implies the other is possible.

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I guess you are right, maybe it's impossible
maybe I'm way to stubborn, I mean there are plenty of things humans don't know about this planet/dimension. So maybe there are easy ways of shifting no-one ever tried (small chance) or physical laws that we yet have to discover. So I would say it is not impossible but not possible either
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Well, saying "I think P-shifting is possible but I don't know how it could work" is very different from saying "I think I-shifting is possible because energy is equal to matter times the speed of light squared."

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It's as Archer says.

Besides, I doubt you'd actually want to convert all of your mass into energy and then change your energy into mass again. You want to "modify" your existing mass, now blow yourself up and create nuclear fallout. Controlling enough energy to convert all of your mass to energy, even if that was possible, would already be hard to do -- adding to that strain is just ridiculous.

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Not to mention that you'd actually lose some of that energy as you go through that process. What was there originally wouldn't be there in the end.
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Let's say you have a big rock that is shaped in a way you don't like. You want to change its shape.

You don't bust the rock apart and try to glue the little bitty rocks back together. Breaking something down to its smallest state is not necessary. Just superheat the rock so that the material is much more malleable and change the shape to what you want. Once it cools, it's a rock again, and in the shape you put it in before it cooled.

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