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Morality
DischordianJoy
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Does your kin-type have any influence on your morality or your ethics? Do you find it difficult to balance your personal morality or ethics with society at large? Do you ever get into interpersonal conflict over it? In what ways do being a kin shape your personal viewpoints on treating others or yourself?

Inquiring minds want to know! (And by minds, I mean my mind.)

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2012-01-05 4:59
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DischordianJoy Wrote:Does your kin-type have any influence on your morality or your ethics?

I would say no, in that my kin *type* has little to do with it. Being 'kin, however, I think definitely influences my personal sense of morality/ethics in that my personal system thereof seems to be not exactly normal human as other people expect. There's a lot more grey area than most people because there's a lot of human emotion and human thought process that I just don't get. That being said, whether my personal morality/ethics has to do with the 'kin stuff or a combination of that and my spiritual beliefs that everything is shades of grey, I cannot say.

DischordianJoy Wrote:Do you find it difficult to balance your personal morality or ethics with society at large?

Yes and no. No in that it doesn't get me in trouble because I behave as expected within society. Yes in that other people don't understand how I can believe X isn't explicitly right or wrong depending on the issue.

DischordianJoy Wrote:Do you ever get into interpersonal conflict over it?

Only with my parents, really. They're the only people who will get into it with me over it, other people are sane...in that they recognize that their beliefs aren't the absolute right ones. I mean my morality/ethics line up on the big things enough (like rape is morally wrong and so forth), but even on some topics like murder, I'm a big grey area...and I'm definitely a big grey area on the smaller ethical questions. So yeah, my parents are it because of their whole thought processes, they're also Catholic so they've definitely got the whole "we see the world in mainly black and white" thing going on and the Catholic guilt, and they know how to push my buttons.

DischordianJoy Wrote:In what ways do being a kin shape your personal viewpoints on treating others or yourself?

I wouldn't say it shapes how I treat myself *now*. It shaped how I treated myself when I identified as 'kin for spiritual reasons because I felt this body was a loaner, so to speak, so it was sub-par and I could do with it what I wanted because it didn't matter. Treating others is a grey area that I can't say being 'kin has shaped or just being me has shaped (well really that's one and the same), so I can't really say how being 'kin shapes my viewpoints on treating others because I can't separate it out. I've never not identified as 'kin so I have no "before time" to compare now to.

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2012-01-05 14:10
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Sorry for the cross-posting, I just figured I would get more responses that way.

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No worries, copy-pasting is my thing and I usually cross post stuff like a pro <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->

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2012-01-05 22:26
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I am not sure. It might. It might be the source of some of my, lets call them, arcane and sexual, vices.

Of course my morality maintains that certain "arcane" and sexual things are immoral.
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I don't believe in morality.

I believe in actions that benefit, and actions that detriment. Actions can fall into either category, even both at the same time. An action that was in one category can go to the other one or end up in both. These categories constantly change according to who is perceiving them.

But good and evil do not exist. A terrorist blowing up a soldier thinks they are right by definition of their religion and cultural upbringing. The soldier who shoots the terrorist thinks they are right by definition of their attachment to their companions and cultural upbringing. Neither are right, neither are wrong.

The only time "right" and "wrong" apply are in the understanding, development, and educational pursuit of factual knowledge.

So I don't believe in morality, and I don't judge based on it.

Let's say you screwed me over, like say you punched me in the face. You're not somehow "evil" or "wrong." You just punched me in the face. For all I know, you do lots of other things that don't primarily consist of face punching. You probably have your reasons, and I probably don't understand those reasons, nor do I really care to.

Just like you probably won't understand the reason why I punched you back, which is that I didn't appreciate being punched and it hurt and I'd like you to refrain from doing so in the future so I'll gladly force you to submit and think twice about starting something you cannot finish. At least, that was the reason this time. Maybe I just felt like it.

We, as humans, are irrational beings trying to put rational reasons behind irrational actions and somehow form a codified order of what you can and and cannot do. The only things you cannot do are really just things you actually cannot do, like breathe underwater, or lick your elbow.

Everything else is set in place to attempt to ensure that the majority of that group will not be distressed. Being that I've never felt quite this great attachment or need to be with others for any reason outside of energy, I've always been rather self-centered, and therefore the need of a group to be secure is not as pressing an issue so much as the need for myself to be secure.

As such, arbitrary moral standards, such as not killing, not stealing, etc. have never made much sense to me, but I follow them as to avoid the very uncomfortable prospect of prison.

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simim23 Wrote:But good and evil do not exist. A terrorist blowing up a soldier thinks they are right by definition of their religion and cultural upbringing. The soldier who shoots the terrorist thinks they are right by definition of their attachment to their companions and cultural upbringing. Neither are right, neither are wrong.

The only time "right" and "wrong" apply are in the understanding, development, and educational pursuit of factual knowledge.

So I don't believe in morality, and I don't judge based on it.


As such, arbitrary moral standards, such as not killing, not stealing, etc. have never made much sense to me, but I follow them as to avoid the very uncomfortable prospect of prison.

This, really. Beat to it by Simim.

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2012-02-15 11:59
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My kintype is very much effecting my morals/ethics. They are at best questionable and at worst down right illegal. I have to put quite some restraints to myself to not go over the edge. I have a habit of not respecting other peoples property or privacy and seldom or rarely follow rules. That has gotten me into a little trouble, but not too bad, so far... I don't really have a clear sense of what is wrong or right, and many people tend to disagree with my wacky opinions, if I do dare utter them. So yeah, it's hard to balance that, and I often wish I could just do what I wanted, but at the same time I don't wanna hurt others.

Sometimes I fear that I will never be able to return to my real home, and that it was all just a dream.
Other times I'm sure I will go back, and that this life is the dream.
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DischordianJoy Wrote:Does your kin-type have any influence on your morality or your ethics?
Who knows? It's very likely my morals and ethics were formed by my life experiences. However, not everyone with similar life experiences turns out the same so was I like this to begin with or have a predisposition? It's something I've wondered.

DischordianJoy Wrote:Do you find it difficult to balance your personal morality or ethics with society at large?
Sometimes it's frustrating, but I'm not enough of an idiot to do anything that could land me in too much trouble.

DischordianJoy Wrote:Do you ever get into interpersonal conflict over it?
Not really. My friends don't care as long as I don't hurt anyone. I once made my mother cry over it, but I don't see that as interpersonal conflict so much as I want to kick her off a cliff and making her cry was the closest legal thing I could get.

DischordianJoy Wrote:In what ways do being a kin shape your personal viewpoints on treating others or yourself?
I have no idea. My conscious viewpoints on treating others is probably more affected by my life experiences than my kintype, but I'm not sure what made me so violent in the first place. I also guess that the only thing about how I treat myself that would change if I thought of myself as human is I wouldn't be so hard on myself for not thinking of myself as human.

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