Re: Human Possession (again)
Oh don’t get me wrong I’m not saying that higher level demons “can’t” , they just don’t …don’t ask me why coz I don’t know *shrugs*
I hate using statistics ..but here goes , about 90% of all cases of dem….
Sorry of all cases of “supposed” demonic possession come through the Vatican….basically the catholic church , the other 10% come through …how should I say this without offending em ?…lesser respected religious circles ?
Though I have to say these ones are by far a hell of a lot more interesting …
A lot of that 10% originate from the African continent as well as south America …why are they more interesting ? Case studies have shown a lot more “Phenomena” , as well as the usual phenomena , speaking in tongues , having access to information that they wouldn’t be able to have , etc …
Clarify phenomena …
Farm animals dropping dead for no apparent reason , earthquakes , storms , various other atmospheric phenomena , cases of thermo kinesis ( things catching fire , things freezing solid ), poltergeist activity , smells , sounds coming from nowhere …
Its only vary rare that physical damage , wounds and welts appear on a possessed victim , and sadly there’s no super contortion ( head spinning ) and a distinct lack of pea soup.
So ok…if your going to take the catholic church at its word …oh sure , everybody from Beelzebub to Satan himself have possessed people …generals of hell and so on , problem is its bull …
Beelzebub …who or what is it ? A demon ? The devil ?
Nope …actually its an early Christian insult and blatant propaganda , Beelzebub is a bastardisation of another word , Baal , Baal is itself yet another moniker for Hadad who was represented as a fertility god …not a demon and about as far from malevolent as you can get .
But right enough the names go back and back again …old gods new names , early Christianity was just as fundamentalist as its modern counterparts , holding a policy of defacing older gods and promoting their own , I wish I could remember the name but there’s one old god they renamed and the translation literally means crap …
Now that’s just the one , but the fact is the whole hierarchy of Christian or Abrahamic ( Christian , Muslim and Jewish ) demons are just bastardisations of old gods …effectively , the original being may exist in one form or another …but the demons the Abrahamic religions painted effectively don’t exist .
Actually you do make a point in saying there needs to be clarification , not just between higher and lower level beings with the whole concept of demons themselves …
How would you see yourself ? As a low , mid level or higher level being ?…just as you are right now .
What factor would you use to determine such levels ?
What’s the difference between a ghost and a spirit ?
Always keep in mind that terminology is key here , because both terms can mean many things .
For the most part , when people say they’ve seen a ghost , they’re seeing what I call a replay , classic example is repeated activity at certain times done over and over again …
Oh...I have a goody , the battle of Culloden , here’s a link …
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that’s just one example , have a look for yourself , there’s millions of them .
These ghosts , don’t think , don’t feel, they couldn’t communicate with you even if they wanted to , because all they are is trapped energy , people who are sensitive enough to this flow of energy can see these past events unfurl before them…
If you like …there’s no soul there .
A spirit is something far different , it has thought , reason , feelings , will , it can act or react to its environment, you can communicate with it and it can communicate with you ..
So I think its fair to say that a spirit ( again remember the terminology ) is a higher level being than a ghost .
So lets look at a demon …and keep in mind the whole terminology thing .
There’s a whole plethora of beings out there , some are old …impossibly old and powerful , early humanity did get to know some of them , how and why ? I’ve no idea , some where worshiped as gods …
Y’know this is something you really have to take into consideration here , one mans angel is another mans god is another mans demon ..all three terms are highly subjective .
But is that it ? No …there are countless entity’s out there , some are powerful some are hardly noticeable , just like you have humans , goats , sheep …down to microbes and amoeba.
Put it this way …there are things out there that no human language has a word for .
But lets wrap this up …
In the last two thousand years …Christianity …more so than the Muslim and Jewish faiths , have reported thousands of demonic possessions by iconic demonic figures , some of the cases have been quite famous .
Beyond this we have a stand off I’m afraid …I can no more prove to you in some tangible fashion that “no” iconic demonic figure ever possessed anybody , than they can prove that they did …
What I can say is look at the evidence…I’ll put good money in saying that more than half of all the reported cases where faked ….
Oh here wait a second , I do recall seeing a program …basically pointed out a lot of the problems with possession , its an interesting view , it was …I think it was called true horror with Anthony head ( Giles from buffy) I’ll see if I can dig it up online …
Anyway , some of the cases where more blatantly faked than others , though there have been a good number of actual possessions , but by classical demons ?…or to put it another way demons from the Christian hierarchy …which basically means they never existed in the first place *shrugs*
I mean there’s been so many Lucifer’s , Beelzebub’s and Satans reported in these cases its ridiculous , so yeah there’s been thousands …if you actually believe it .
None of the cases have anything in common with the little facts we do have about particular entity’s like Lucifer and the end the only evidence we have of it actually being Lucifer is the entity that’s doing the possessing’s word for it .
There is evidence to show that what’s actually doing the possessing is in fact a lower level entity , the constant need for attention and dialog , the persistent lying , the wild emotional states …do you really think that a group of old farts repeatedly muttering the same words and quoting passages from the bible ( or to be specific the book of sacramental rites ( the one they use )are gonna get rid of anything even close to the level of power a being Lucifer would have ?
Particularly when you take into consideration what the bible actually is and who wrote and re-wrote it ? Or to put it another way , most of the stuff quoted as happening in the bible never happened at all , a perfect example of this is the exodus from Egypt…not only was there no mass exodus of Jews , the place Moses was supposedly taking them was in fact under Egyptian rule …I mean even recently its been considered quite seriously there was no Moses at all *shrugs*
( looks up at what he’s written )
My god!…an I was gonna level my gnome tonight ..
Where do I get my information ?…all over the place , I’ve studied , demons and magickal rites for years , spiritualism , the occult , history and mythology , you name it I’ve dabbled to one degree or another , I mean truth be told all the information is out there , all you have to do is look for it .
I had to add this one , I found it funny …
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Just follow the links on the site and you’ll find the rest .