How 'bout them deities?

Yes, it's gotta come up sometime. Someone who shows up who isn't JUST a kin, isn't JUST a princess, but a deity incarnate.

Run for the hills! <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->

Well, here's my take on it: there's a big difference between being 'an' incarnation of a deity and being 'the' incarnation of a deity. I'm not even sure that the later exists, but the former isn't all that far fetched when you get around to the explanation. Deities are HUGE, let's face it, they simply won't fit inside a human vessel. But part of the deity might. Zeus's big toe or something.

But that's thinking like a human who believes in a solidified body and identity. Energy beings just aren't built like that. Zeus doesn't have a big toe, but he does have a shadow, as many as he needs. Anyone see Forbidden Kingdom? The monkey king took a strand of his own hair to create a living double. That's more like it. So, following that logic, there could be twenty people looking me in the eye and telling me they're Jesus and I don't have to get all worked up about it. More like 'Oh really? Another one? He must be a busy guy.' Do I need to bow and scrape to any of them? Heck no, and if they asked me to they'd probably be fakes.

Speaking entirely theoretically of course...as AN incarnation of Horus. How do I know? Well, Lion-head lady once said so and I'm not gonna argue with her, at least NOT to her face. I save that for when her back is turned. She probably just said it to screw with me. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s -->

I think the idea of the "size" of a non-physical being to be a little odd.
I don't see how the size/mass of energy is in contradiction with the size/mass a "human vessel".

Secondly, I don't see the "point" for a godform to be "incarnated" when they are capable of "posession". (Mind you, I would never offer my form for that seeing as godforms tend not to have a "healthy" respect for things that can harm the human form, they tend to have none at all, and as such, don't really avoid causing harm to their "human vessle" simply because they have no fear in that aspect.)
The only point/cause I can see is the Avatar-Of-Godform, walking the earth to instill new faith, draw new belief, to the godform. Something that would be entirely inefficient in this day and age since they'd just get tossed into the loony bin, so even that would be pointless. (Save for extremely few exceptions, none in the western world.)

What's wrong with incarnating simply for the experience of it? Why does everything have to be fate of the world stuff? Maybe they just have a thing for chocolate chip cookies. And if it's just a fragment, then it's not like the main entity is bothered by it much.

As for size, well I don't know about you, but I've pushed my human form to its energetic, and mental, limits more than once. I can tell you that it ain't gonna fit. Not without me decorating the walls in a rather disgusting manner. Or ending up in that previously mentioned loony bin.

Didn't say it was "fate of the world" stuff, merely that there's a matter of a coheisive, logical reason.

The size thing, I think, is our puny human brain's attempt to grasp the sheer complexity that is a "deity". When I did that 'merge' with the All, I felt microscopic... and big enough to fit the universe at the same time. It was a strange, and wonderful, experience. Subsequently, my beliefs developed that souls come from energetic shedding, "evolve" through merging with one another, and then eventually merge again with the All. This means that, to a point, we are *all* of us incarnations of it. We *are* it, and it is made of us. And because I personally view deities as one step below the All, we are all incarnations of them as well.

However!

I find claiming to be an incarnation of a particular deity fairly pompous. It rings of "I'm SPECIAL DANGIT!" along the lines of the "King of ALL the dragons!" and "Saviour of the world!". Especially if announced right away. I've had friends and acquaintances make some very very odd claims that I was more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to because they didn't crow it from the rooftops right away.

I don't have a problem with the idea of incarnate deities. I don't even have any problems with the idea that a deity could incarnate just for kicks. Particularly gods and godesses of chaos who don't really have any use for reason or logic.

My annoyance and general skepticism comes solely into play when the person in question is bragging about it. Ironically, I'm more likely to entertain the notion from people who never mention it or downplay the circumstance. It may be uncharitable, but whenever I hear or read the latest 'I am X, the cue for you to kiss my butt is here' rant all I can think is 'poser'.

I thought a lot about this, and let's take the scenario where one of these people is right: they are the incarnation of a God/ess and they are demanding worship. I find myself completely incapable of 'worship'. I can give reverence, respect and friendship but worship is anathema to me. So, about the best benefit of the doubt I have it in me to give to such people is skepticism. I'm well aware that this may seem arrogant and elitist of me, I'm trying not to be either of those things, and I am aware that many people think my own belief that I'm not entirely human is crazy. But on the other hand I can't just believe everything anyone tells me either (I can't even believe everything I think I know).

The subgroup that's a particular problem for me are those that try to develop their own cult. I think that's just asking for trouble from so many different angles.

So Freetha, what is your cohesive logical reason for living?

Living in the material world is a completely different experience. Everything is so much more focused and intense in a minute detail sort of way. Logical reason does not encompass all the tiny nuances present in even a moment of incarnate life. Besides, if I was purely a logical being, I would just go to a shrink and take the proper medications. If experience was not enough, none of us would have a reason to be here. In the end, crusades mean nothing. Monuments, religions, cults, entire civilizations, turn to dust. If there is no appreciation for the experience of 'now' then there is nothing. Maybe they do have a reason for choosing to be in one place rather than another, but who are we to guess those reasons?

But I think what I'm saying is that deific incarnation is no big deal. I'm sure it happens a lot more than anyone realizes. Which also means there's no reason to start any cults. Simply being human pretty much levels the playing field. There's no reason to kiss anybody's hiney. Likewise, there's no reason to ostracize someone as long as they're minding their manners.

I believe in diety incarnation. I don't quite believe in split souls etc. but I don't see why uncontainable traits of a diety can't be bound, much like I've heard angelkin describe. And as for motivation...possession doesn't quite cut it I hear. Many demonkin on this site wouldn't be here if it did.

I believe however that a dietykin would have the intellegence and wisdom to know not to share themselves openly, or as someone mentioned, play it down. And I'm not sure I believe that every dietykin would be some entity that belongs to a specific belief system...I find it hard to believe that Zeus and Amon-Ra and Thor all exist as seperate entities. I find it more likely that most dieties are not really known of....just like less powerful demons and angels.

Lol, well, I'm not very good about keeping controversial things to myself.

You'd think I misclassified myself and should start hanging out with the demons. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

But there is a method to my madness. I think that no stone should be left unturned when it comes to self-exploration. I know I'm not the only one, I just happen to be the one who's dumb enough to get up and talk about it. I do that a lot. If I wanted to be worshiped, that's definitely no way to behave. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s -->

You've gotta be up among my favorite people here already, if only for your signature.

On topic, I don't believe that deities are likely to incarnate. Unless, of course, they did it through others, and then shared the experience in exchange for something equal in value (I don't know what, just theorizing here). But I don't believe that a part of a deity that wasn't too dense, energy-wise, to live in a human body, would be enough of a deity to experience life to the extent that the deity might be used to.