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Help With Connecting?
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Help With Connecting?
So recently I've verified the existence of my guardian angel. <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->

I believe I had "first" met him in a dream I had a while back. He and I were madly in love with one another. I asked him for his name and he said it was Nicholas, but for some reason nowadays I've been calling him Whisper (due to how he sounds, I guess). I've had few and sparse dreams with him in it after that. Three to my knowledge, if you count the first one. Each time he's looked different, but always I knew it was him from the start, because I can easily recognize his presence.

Anyway, I had a very sensitive friend of mine verify his existence, and it made me excited. Since then I've been trying to communicate with Whisper, but I haven't been able to.

Do any of you have any techniques I could use to try to communicate with him? To be frank, both Whisper and I aren't fond of having my friend talking to him, and I would like to talk to him myself. However, all my attempts have come out fruitless. The only time I know I can communicate with things like angelic beings is when I'm in a half-awake, half-asleep state, and these last few times I've tried, I've fallen asleep.

So, advice?

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2011-01-12 23:32
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I don't have a long, thought-out reply here, but given my experience with the same situation, it's possible that you can't sense him anymore because he's too close to you for you to recognize him as something not-you. That is, he could be within you. This has happened to me on at least two occasions, though the second I only realized very recently. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
2011-01-12 23:48
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That could be. I feel like I've known him for a veeerrry long time. Though I don't feel as though I'm a host to him, so it's a bit different than that.

But I could have quite likely grown used to his presence.

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2011-01-13 2:16
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Do you have an idea of what "feeling like a host" would be like? I'm curious.
2011-01-13 2:23
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I'd hate to diverge from the topic too much, but I do have an explanation:
Firstly, I don't really know what it's like to be a host, but I can speculate. I just assume it would be a different kind of closeness than the kind one has with a guardian. I wouldn't be able to describe it, however...

I've also in the past wondered if I was a host to an angelic being, but I doubted it, and I had a friend help me determine whether or not I was. She's highly sensitive to energies, and she picked out that mine and Whisper's energies are separate from each other.

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2011-01-13 2:35
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Thing is that, what beings actually are, is not always the easiest thing for us (meaning anyone incarnated as a person [Wink] on the whole) to understand. For example in the past I've had a being seem to be around me out of curiosity when I was engaging in religious-type...reading. The people around me -- online, at least -- were quick to peg him as a deity. But that doesn't mean he was a deity.

After a while of getting (non-drug-induced) hallucinations while doing the same and having him hanging around at the same time, I also started thinking he was a deity. That doesn't mean he was. He could be, but that wasn't how he had presented himself to me (as in the past I've had a rule of not speaking to anything that claims to be a God). How we categorize what we sense is a very highly...subjective thing. And it's something which I'd say that people who were raised in cultures with actively dispersed mythologies, some of which are believed to be true...aren't always prepared to handle. There is experience and then there is how we understand that experience.

What I'm trying to say is that your subjective categorization of the being you recognize as your guardian may not be literal truth. This is insofar as things that happen entirely within the mind are very malleable -- what is thought is not always what is true, and a person needs a good large amount of practice before they can discern a spirit impression from a self-arising thought.

I'm not saying not to think of him as your guardian. I'm not saying he isn't. I'm trying to say not to count out possibilities because of the way you categorize your experience, because the categorizations (aside from the lived reality)...get us into trouble more often than not.

And as well -- if you asked some of the people I live with, they'd say that the energies of some of the beings who have lived through my form are very distinct from my own. <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink --> Then again, I come from a line of women who have had psychic ability.

As much as it would be nice to be able to trust the impressions of others, as well...I've not had very good luck finding reliable psychics in my area, or online. *All* of them have had some mental instability, and delving into spirit work just intensifies it. If you read Psychic Self-Defense by Dion Fortune (at least to the point I've read it), she says that an externalized projection can be picked up by psychics as a distinct being, separate from yourself. She also states that psychic ability and mental illness often go hand-in-hand, which is spot-on in my experience, even within my own family.

I haven't been around here for very long, but I'd hope that a legitimate attempt to help wouldn't be frowned on because it goes into a tangent (...a tendency to tangential thought is something that's been clinically noted in me). Hope some of this can help.
2011-01-13 3:17
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Thank you for telling me.

I know Whisper could also be a figure of my imagination; in fact it's very possible. Only, when he appears to me in a dream, the dream itself is a lot more distinct and I can feel his presence intensely. And when I wake up, I feel a lingering of his presence.

I also know I can't rely on what my friend says, and this is the big reason why I wish to find a way to communicate with Whisper myself; to see for myself if he really exists.

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Anetiel Wrote:Do any of you have any techniques I could use to try to communicate with him? To be frank, both Whisper and I aren't fond of having my friend talking to him, and I would like to talk to him myself. However, all my attempts have come out fruitless. The only time I know I can communicate with things like angelic beings is when I'm in a half-awake, half-asleep state, and these last few times I've tried, I've fallen asleep.

This might be stating the obvious, but it occurs to me that you should do whatever your preferred meditation is when wide awake.

Wait for a day when you've been well rested, and in the middle of the afternoon (or whenever), when you're nice and alert and there's no chance of you accidentally falling asleep, relax and meditate.

Anetiel Wrote:I'd hate to diverge from the topic too much, but I do have an explanation:
Firstly, I don't really know what it's like to be a host, but I can speculate. I just assume it would be a different kind of closeness than the kind one has with a guardian. I wouldn't be able to describe it, however...

In my experience, every relationship between headmates is a bit different - so how I experience hosting my other half isn't the same as how someone else does. It's also not so much a "closeness" as a "sameness" - but in my/our case I/we are very co-conscious, so the lines between us are not clear. Trying to work out whether an entity is external or internal usually comes down to "does it feel like we're the same, or does it feel like we're close" - in other words, very subjective.

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I don't know how much it helps, if at all, but I'm a host with two headmates and also have a fully-developed daemon (His Dark Materials type, not separate spiritual entity type). The daemon feels and is very clearly PART of me... and the headmates feel very clearly DIFFERENT from me, but also as close to me as the inside of my own eyelids. They do a lot of talking at me in dreams (they're whispery too. <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->), and their presence lingers after waking. Before I had very good communication with them, I felt very like how you seem to be feeling.

I got in touch with them pretty much by just harassing them into talking. I made up a name for them (Voice, in my case), imagined a fairly humanoid face for them, and pestered them all the time. "Hey, Voice. You there? Yah, you, Voice. I know you're there. You pop up at weird times. Why don't you talk? I know you can; you have before. Answer me, you Voice!"

Eventually I made some headway, just a simple case of, "Hey, Voice, you there?" "Over here."

Didn't take much longer for it to become "Yeah, okay, I'm here. Do you need something? Careful, before long you'll be begging me to shut up."
(He was right, by the way. Frakking noisy. >_<)

aaaand now I have a near-constant internal dialogue, sometimes trilogue or tetralogue, between me, my noisier headmate, the quieter one, and my daemon. Their voices and presences are as distinct to me as the difference in taste of vinegar, chocolate, and miso soup.

I don't know how it will go for you, but I hope you get the communication you want, and that it doesn't become a burden or annoyance for you.

Wishing you all the best,
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Thanks for the responses!

For the sake of argument, I'll say that I've pretty ruled out that I'm a host or have headmates because I don't have that co-conscious relationship Archer was talking about. I wanted to specify this in case it changes anything about the technique I should use, but it may not.

Archer Wrote:This might be stating the obvious, but it occurs to me that you should do whatever your preferred meditation is when wide awake.

Wait for a day when you've been well rested, and in the middle of the afternoon (or whenever), when you're nice and alert and there's no chance of you accidentally falling asleep, relax and meditate.

I guess this is the way to go. I just need to get better at meditating and find a quiet time to do it. Plus I become hyper-sensitive to my body and notice trace things pertaining to the side-effects of allergies/winter dryness.

Just practice, I guess.

Estelore Wrote:I got in touch with them pretty much by just harassing them into talking. I made up a name for them (Voice, in my case), imagined a fairly humanoid face for them, and pestered them all the time. "Hey, Voice. You there? Yah, you, Voice. I know you're there. You pop up at weird times. Why don't you talk? I know you can; you have before. Answer me, you Voice!"

I actually tried this. Then I realized I was talking to myself and just projecting responses in the way I would assume Whisper would respond. And I don't know much in regards to his personality.

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