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For the mixed/polymorph/shapeshifting kinds
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I am aware that we are all currently human and that these are unproven beliefs/feelings/whatever you want to call them. However, we're here because we don't always (or ever) feel completely human right?
Does anyone shift between what species they feel like? For example, overall, I am a polymorph/shapeshifter thing, but today, I identify quite firmly as a jötunn.
Does anyone identify as creatures that aren't from the same cosmologies? Come to think of it, that makes sense since why the heck would humans make the rules for non-humans? How would they even know? And it's not like we can't travel even if it was the case. Anyway... For example, Egyptian and Norse.
This one is specifically for the shapeshifter/polymorph types: does anyone else consider the different forms they take to be valid even though they shift? For example, as a polymorph/shapeshifter thing, is it wrong to say that I currently identify as a jötunn?
Does anyone else have little to no control over the shifts?

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2012-07-16 21:05
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Edge Wrote:However, we're here because we don't always (or ever) feel completely human right?
Depends on what you mean by "feeling completely human." <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->
Edge Wrote:Does anyone shift between what species they feel like?
Yes, but I mark that up largely to either sensitivity to nearby spirits (if that way of thinking is accurate), past-life impressions, or this mind's impressionability.
Edge Wrote:Does anyone identify as creatures that aren't from the same cosmologies?
I know of no cosmology in which what I am is known.
Edge Wrote:This one is specifically for the shapeshifter/polymorph types: does anyone else consider the different forms they take to be valid even though they shift? For example, as a polymorph/shapeshifter thing, is it wrong to say that I currently identify as a jötunn?
This is a more complicated question. I'm guessing that on the whole it would differ depending on whether the polymorph or shapeshifter saw themselves as a group of individual beings in one body, or as one being who phases in and out of different forms.

I can only relate this from my present dilemma. The backposts giving background information on this are there, if you want to read them -- mostly in either the Walk-In/Multiple subforum or in the Demon subforum. The short form of this history is that I'm someone who believes they absorbed another spirit, and that the identities I work from, today, are based in that history.

So we have at last note, three to four different "phases"; one of them is female, the other three are variants on the same male, as reflected in our naming. (I'm hesitant to share the names here because of the fact that we may end up using the names in real life.) But...I've taken the approach of looking at the whole as more complex than any one of its parts. The four different "phases" are not seen to be "individual", largely due to the fact that from time to time, knowledge of the system submerges and when it resurfaces to the conscious mind, it isn't the same as it was when it was last seen. The same *elements* are there, but the *recombinations* of those elements are not the same.

Because of this fluidity, we've taken the tack of referring to ourselves as one being (as I intended things to be at the time of the merger), even should that be one being in plural, because even though we do live through one body, our inclinations differ, and we don't always agree on everything. Like gender presentation, for example, which is the biggest quandary we're dealing with at this point in time. So sometimes this brain does experience the feeling of wondering if "I" am a man. It's gotten rarer to wonder if "I" am a woman, because a failed recent experiment rather clearly showed that I am not a woman.

Now it's more asking whether "I" am femme and female-bodied, but with a masculine core identity concept; or whether "I" am a transman in denial, and the "femme" aspect is what is left of what used to be an identity as female. And, of course, what to do with that information once it's uncovered. So I'm dealing with the possibilities of coming out in my social life and on-the-job, and with the possibility that physical transition to male may make things make more sense...even though I am not certain that taking testosterone for the rest of my life is what I really want. I'd rather have been born male -- not have to go out of my way to *become* male.

But your question on whether it's valid to identify as something, purely in the moment, is something that resonates with me. I think that ultimately it's something that you'll have to figure out for yourself...I have a very high priority on integrity, myself, so I don't feel comfortable telling others that I am something, when I know that self-concept will change -- because then I have to deal with others feeling I wasn't being honest with them.

The problem is that the &$@# thing changes all the time. And I know this. With that information, I've taken on an identity as genderqueer, because it allows for conflicting and fluid identities, without locking one into a space where one feels the need -- or obligation -- to act as though one were something which one, in the moment, is not. I think as long as your identity statement is prefaced with "currently," there shouldn't be a problem, but there in effect is a problem when people don't read carefully. <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->

I've got to go right now -- I'll be back later.

Edge Wrote:Does anyone else have little to no control over the shifts?
Little to no control, here. I'm still figuring out where everything lies, and I think this will help me prioritize things like money (what clothes actually get worn, as versus who is buying most of the clothes). At this point, it's basically given that at the start of my day I have to figure out how I'm going to present.
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Edge Wrote:Does anyone shift between what species they feel like?

Some people do and yet do not identify as that shifted entity; it's called cameo shifting. For example, I am a seawolf, but I have shifted into sea lion, horse, etc. for brief periods of time. Sadly, I can't explain it other than 'it feels different' than other shifts I experience as seawolf. I just know I'm not those other things on an instinctual level.

Edge Wrote:Does anyone identify as creatures that aren't from the same cosmologies?

Sure, there are no rules that say you have to have multiple 'kin types all from the same culture. I have a friend on DW who identifies as a Norse elf and also a wolf.

Edge Wrote:This one is specifically for the shapeshifter/polymorph types: does anyone else consider the different forms they take to be valid even though they shift? For example, as a polymorph/shapeshifter thing, is it wrong to say that I currently identify as a jötunn?

Not a polymorph, but I'd say that most folks I know who are call themselves such and depending on the day, etc. will say 'today I felt like a jotunn'.

Edge Wrote:Does anyone else have little to no control over the shifts?

The pattern seems to be that once you can put a name to your experiences, shifting is hard to control. It takes a bit of practice and patience but eventually many people are able to control their shifts. Try taking time out of your average day to 'be 'kin'. That seems to help a lot of people.

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I identify as overall polymorphic. That being said, there are a few things that I consider *me* as opposed to masks I can wear if that makes sense. Those are large cats (primarily lions and mountain lions), a dragon-lioness hybrid, and a black tip reef shark shifter (true shark to mershark). I'm more of a suntherian with lions, being some version of lion thing all the time and am shark primarily in the water. What I "feel like" on any given day may be constant through the day, change the next, change by the hour, be constant for days, it just depends. Some shifts just happen, some I can spark if I really want to, it just depends.

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My shifts are a little more tied to my emotions, but I think yes; I do identify at the time as whatever that form is. If one form is triggered - like, say, my wolf aspect - I don't feel like a polymorphic demonkin; mentally, I feel pretty damn wolf. With other types though, that I may not have a more set mental representation of (like a thought form, or an aspect like the wolf), then I don't get into that form as easily as I would one of the regulars. So, since I'm not as familiar with them, I may feel like them enough to consider it a shift, but not strongly enough to identify as their kintype.
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Does anyone shift between what species they feel like?

- Yep. I'm a polymorph so it's kind of what I do.

Does anyone identify as creatures that aren't from the same cosmologies?
- I identify as a polymorph, but I've had Chinese, Egyptian, and Norse based forms. Sometimes Hellenic as well.

Does anyone else consider the different forms they take to be valid even though they shift? For example, as a polymorph/shapeshifter thing, is it wrong to say that I currently identify as a jötunn?
- I consider the forms to be perfectly valid, but I'm a polymorph so saying "I'm X" isn't exactly true. I say "I'm currently experiencing X shift" or "I was shifted to X today" if I talk about it.

Does anyone else have little to no control over the shifts?
- I have no control over my shifts, but that's fine. I don't really mental shift in the average sense of the word so it's rarely bothersome.

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Annwyn Wrote:- I consider the forms to be perfectly valid, but I'm a polymorph so saying "I'm X" isn't exactly true. I say "I'm currently experiencing X shift" or "I was shifted to X today" if I talk about it.
Since starting this thread, I've come to the conclusion that, for me, it is. From what I've read and perceived and my conclusions based on that, it's technically not incorrect for me to label myself a jötunn. Or a faerie or a troll from what I've concluded from the various folk tales, history of mythology, and etymology. I do shapeshift and have many forms, but that's not exactly uncommon for jötnar and, although I may shapeshift into a raptor for example, I don't identify with it the way I identify with the terms jötunn, troll, and faerie.

Note: Just to clarify, I don't identify as some sort of hybrid. I consider them valid terms for the same species. Same as I consider it valid to call humans animals, apes, humans, homo sapiens, and words people have.
Of course, some day, I could figure out that I made a mistake and that I'm Fomorian instead. Who knows.

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I am always the same "species", just not always the same "shape" myself.
And yah, the jötnar do have some shiftyness.

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Yeah same. I just couldn't put my finger on which species. Or I could. I just didn't know which word to use. It's complicated.

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2014-08-07 21:41
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