Hide background
READ THIS!

Welcome to the Otherkinphenomena forum.

You really have to follow these instructions! Instructions will update as you progress.

If you wish to post on, or access most of the content of our forum and our community, please click here to register first, then follow the instructions below. If you have already registered, please log in, in the above "Hello There, Guest!" box.

Thanks for understanding and see you around.



Post Reply 
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Fallen or not?
lostechos
Member is Offline
New
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 3
Points: 75.00
Contribution:

Post: #1
Fallen or not?
My personal belief is that there are fallen angels.
So for those with the same belief, how can you tell if you are a fallen angel?
2010-05-11 7:49
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
Acta non Verba
Member is Offline
Eager beaver
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 268
Points: 1450.00
Contribution: tick tick 

Post: #2
Re: Fallen or not?
Well, if you are chained in darkness under the earth....that might be one clue.
2010-05-12 8:52
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
Archer
Member is Offline
Suing You
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 2,813
Points: 14165.00
Contribution: tick tick tick tick 

Post: #3
Re: Fallen or not?
Or cut off from your Source and constantly wracked with existential agony that even tramadol won't take away.

Ubi Dubium, Ibi Libertas

Quote:"I have suffered from being misunderstood, but I would have suffered a hell of a lot more if I had been understood."

[Image: neverforgetm.png]
2010-05-12 18:02
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
simim23
Member is Offline
Eager beaver
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 739
Points: 3895.00
Contribution: tick tick 

Post: #4
Re: Fallen or not?
If skydiving gives you deja vu...

Simim: Rainbow poop at your disservice.
[Image: 313pq88.png]
2010-05-12 22:30
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
Terro
Member is Offline
Gymnastics instructor and lifeguard
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 1,028
Points: 5340.00
Contribution: tick tick tick tick 

Post: #5
Re: Fallen or not?
I'll admit that I had a bit of my delicious glass of iced tea travel out of my nose as I read Sim's comment.

On a more informative note now that I have collected myself... I often equate being an Angel to having a job, there are things you have to do, rules to follow, and benefits. Being Fallen means being fired and cut off from everything including the employee lounge. You keep the skills and talents you had, but you lose the company perks.

I believe that being Fallen or Falling effects everyone individually, I believe that the act of Falling is quite traumatic and may even be so much so that it is blocked from many Angels' memory or even denied or rationalized as something entirely different.

I believe that the discovery of being a Fallen may take a while and be an intensely personal journey and discovery that should not and cannot be taken lightly (which is the same as many Otherkin beliefs, but being Fallen I feel is moreover crucial in the fact that it carries a lot of weight and baggage with it).

Certain signs I believe are common are black wings, stereotypical "demonic" features as prescribed by pop culture and Christian dogma, I believe there is a severance from the Creator and quite possibly strong emotions tied to the discussion of Heaven or the Creator, whether those emotions are feelings of love, remorse, hate, betrayal or perhaps the complete opposite and utter and complete apathy... it all depends on the circumstances and the Fallen in question.

The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters.
-The Unit
2010-05-14 3:48
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
Lacrimosa
Member is Offline
New
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 9
Points: 90.00
Contribution:

Post: #6
Re: Fallen or not?
Lots of weight - I agree.
Being fallen is propably hard to accept for the angel hence the blocked memories. I guess that as soon and they get unblocked things go nasty. At least in memories.

Kinda makes me wonder if the heavy baggage means they also have well... Damned life. I mean psychically of course, they have to deal with it everyday but what about those little normal human things here?
2010-05-16 14:13
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
Velvet Darkness
Member is Offline
Copy cat
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 71
Points: 415.00
Contribution: tick 

Post: #7
Re: Fallen or not?
Why would a fallen angel have
Quote:"demonic" features
?
2010-06-05 22:48
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
freelanceangel
Member is Offline
customer service *facepalm*
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 447
Points: 2365.00
Contribution: tick tick 

Post: #8
Re: Fallen or not?
Velvet Darkness Wrote:Why would a fallen angel have
Quote:"demonic" features
?

A side-effect from the shift that would occur as they go from the Employee of the Month {to borrow Terro's analogy} to being fired. Just as someone might become depressed, gain weight and don't shave when they're unemployed, so an angel may manifest "demonic features" as they undergo the change from being connected to the energy which created them to being fallen. It's an external reflection of the internal changes.

[Image: frelanceangelbanner.png]
Banner/Avatar done by the GLORIOUS Elinox: THANK YOU!
2010-06-15 8:53
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
Estelore
Member is Offline
piano instructor, university student
Kintype:
Otherkin:
Gender:
Reputation: 0
Posts: 154
Points: 825.00
Contribution: tick tick 

Post: #9
Re: Fallen or not?
Once again I interject with beliefs that I don't expect anybody else to accept. (i.e. please don't eat my face if you disagree. ^_^)

First, I accept the following to be absolute truth:
1. All that occurs is by the will of God/Source/whatever you call it-her-Him. Omnipotence.
Therefore 1a. Nothing can occur that is not according to His will.
Therefore 1b. He knows everything that can possibly happen as well as everything that ever will happen. Y'know, omniscience and such.
2. God created everything that can ever possibly exist or has ever existed. This includes free will and all beings who have it.
Therefore 2a. By creating beings with free will, He already accepts that we are capable of making selfish decisions and foolish actions. In fact, by knowing everything, He EXPECTS this to happen on a constant basis. If He had a genuine problem with free will and its results, He would have changed how free will works in the first place, already knowing how it would turn out, no matter what.
Therefore 2b. There is no such thing as an absolute evil. Everything viewed by one being as evil can be viewed by another as somehow justifiable. The reverse is true: if you can justify it, somebody else can find evil in it. [And speaking as the former victim of some serious abuses, I feel I am entitled to believe what I will in that regard, please and thank you.]

So all that being said, this is my belief: When angels fall, it is expected from the very beginning of their existence. The angels themselves know it will happen, as soon as they exist. There is no surprise in it for them. Sure, they are fully capable of making a different choice and NOT falling, but I figure some of them conclude that it serves God's purposes better for them to fall. By providing a demonstration both of free will and of what can be viewed as disobedience, they serve as the contrast against obedience.

In other words, when the first angel fell and set a precedence for all the rest... I think that single angel was almost certainly doing the single most difficult thing ever done by a sentient being. That angel knew exactly what his fall would mean, both personally and universally, and he chose to do it anyway, because it had to happen.
Think about it from this perspective: that angel knew that by falling, he would be the first entity to ever consciously and voluntarily separate himself from the immediate presence of the Throne. He would be flying headfirst into the unknown, because nobody else had ever done it. He was a pioneer, and his sacrifice makes the rest seem darn silly to me.


Also, I believe that "fallen" is not a hard-and-fast state of being. That is... the way human crimes receive different degrees of punishment and penance on Earth, angelic 'disobedience' receives different degrees of just atonement.
I think it'd be kinda' silly to assume that the only time angels fell was during the first war in Heaven. It'd be like saying the only time humans hurt each other is during wartime, and that nobody ever performs petty theft or unintentionally causes harm to somebody else.
So it seems inevitable to me that there'd be a fair number of angels who long after the war ended up doing some kinda' foolish things and were told they had to take a bit of a time-out.
*shrug* Fair enough.


<!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile --> Well, have at ye.

[Image: Full%2Bsystem%2Brearranged.png]
--Total--Rosie--Gale--Ax------Es-Asher-Chunes--Lor-Cade-Ruby--Leo--Crow-Kirke-Teia-
2010-06-15 18:44
Find
Quote
Give Thanks
Post Reply 


Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)