Kurogitsune Wrote:So the subject should be kinda self explanatory... what do you all think of Enochian magic as brought forth by John Dee and his seer Edward Kelly? I have a few friends in the A.'.A.'. who have told me they have had good experience with it so Ive been doing some research into it with the plan to make an experiment of it recently... that is after i can read the calls without sounding like I'm stumbling about the words like a drunken sailor lol.
I enjoy Enochian Magick alot. I don't do it as much as I'd like to, because I'm too skeptical at times, so I dislike being the skrying at the same time as being the orator, so the majority of my Enochian acts are when I'm with others, so it limits how much I can do it. I also like seeing people I dislike get into Enochian magick, because few magick systems are going to give you the "Year(s) of Hell" like Enochian will. I like the system, I just haven't decided if or how to use it, if I'm going the old school route, or going the GD way, or possibly working out a third path at some point.
Kurogitsune Wrote:because it was originally thought to be the same magic given to Enoch by god.. its in one of the biblical books that was not added to the formal cannon. though modern thought is the enochian entities aren't angels at all... they conform to whatever fits your world view.
From my remembrances from True and Faithful, it's not so much that Enoch was taught magick, but Dee was trying to communicate with Angels in a way that he felt hadn't been accomplished since Enoch. He wanted to talk with them like Enoch, the magick that came out of the system was secondary to the goal of communicating.
I haven't decided what I think the Enochians are, I know they're not YaHooWaHoo's Angels, I wouldn't rule them out as not being Celestial though. They definitely have some of that feel, and personality to a proper Celestial.
Seraphin Wrote:Second I believe that Enochian Magick is very difficult to perform for me because the tablets are overwhelming and so is the language. I cant seem to find a proper link to tell me how to pronounce the darn words.
There is only one "system" of pronunciation, that was largely created by Mathers. Frankly I think that method is too complicated and artificial to be any use when speaking to Enochians. It might sound weird, but just trying to say the words, are messed up as they come up, tends to be better than the GD system. Whatever, if any, proper pronunciation there was, it died with Dee, but I've always liked Lon's interpretation that the Enochians are like the French, they expect you to butcher the language, but they appreciate you trying.
Kurogitsune Wrote:The system was given through scrying to Dr John Dee and his seer Edward Kelly in the late 1500's. It is a very complex system if you follow the journals to the letter, a bit more complex than old school Goetia if that is possible... lol
The Golden Dawn system, was in some ways simplified (and other ways made more complex) but I think it's worth checking out, even if you're going to practice it old school, just because it's good to see and understand how and why a system has been interpreted.