Energy work/usage: Otherkin vs. Nonkin

AstralSpire Wrote:

Quote:Every single human on the planet is capable of the same exact things with respect to energy.

I wouldn't say that with certainty, and it sounds like that you are thinking of human bodies in terms of "standardized" products, but with your background you certainly know that this isn't the case, and the same goes with energy, and mind (in most cases).

With my background I know even better than most what humans are and are not capable of. One might think that an incarnate energy being would be in some way "better" with energy than a non-incarnate energy being. I assure you it isn't the case. The human body can only handle so much energy...it can only do so much with energy. Regardless of what's "powering" the human body...a soul, incarnate being, whatever...that doesn't change what a human body is capable of.

Rain Wrote:If we were to akin the entire ordeal in terms of computer terminology, we would say that the person is the user, the soul is the software, and the body is the hardware. You can't power an immense program if you don't have enough memory on a computer, and it doesn't matter how amazingly powerful your soul is, some things simply cannot be done through a human body's energy network. You will burn yourself out.

Wouldn't the soul (or whatever you want to call it) be the user and the person (or personality) be the software developed to interact with the world around them, physically, mentally and energetically? Sorry, just trying to understand the analogy.

Rain Wrote:However, different souls can use the body differently, just as software does, perhaps more *efficiently* than other souls, even. This means that, whereas a "normal" human soul could perhaps only use half of the potential of a human body, it is quite possible that an energy being is able to utilize more, or even less, than that potential because of their differences.

Wouldn't a "normal" human soul be specifically designed to use a human energy system as efficiently as possible, where as anything else using it would have to adjust to the energy system before it can even function?

SoulWalker Wrote:

Rain Wrote:If we were to akin the entire ordeal in terms of computer terminology, we would say that the person is the user, the soul is the software, and the body is the hardware. You can't power an immense program if you don't have enough memory on a computer, and it doesn't matter how amazingly powerful your soul is, some things simply cannot be done through a human body's energy network. You will burn yourself out.

Wouldn't the soul (or whatever you want to call it) be the user and the person (or personality) be the software developed to interact with the world around them, physically, mentally and energetically? Sorry, just trying to understand the analogy.

I am tired (and was tired when I wrote that), unfortunately, so it could very well be that my analogy fails on many, many levels (in fact, I think it does). I'll wait until I'm not exhausted before I analyze it. For the time being, please consider it void.

SoulWalker Wrote:

Rain Wrote:However, different souls can use the body differently, just as software does, perhaps more *efficiently* than other souls, even. This means that, whereas a "normal" human soul could perhaps only use half of the potential of a human body, it is quite possible that an energy being is able to utilize more, or even less, than that potential because of their differences.

Wouldn't a "normal" human soul be specifically designed to use a human energy system as efficiently as possible, where as anything else using it would have to adjust to the energy system before it can even function?

How many humans do you know actually *work* with their energy? It's not necessary for a human to use his energy to survive, whereas the same is not true for energy beings.

It would be similar to using a computer without an operating system (old-school style). If you have enough experience issuing commands directly to the computer itself, you can typically tell what an operating system does to get the same result. When things go wrong, it is easier to fix -- when things aren't working at 100% efficiently, you can recognize and solve the problem with more ease.

But like I said, I'm tired. I'll get back to this thread when I'm more coherent.

Rain Wrote:How many humans do you know actually *work* with their energy? It's not necessary for a human to use his energy to survive, whereas the same is not true for energy beings.

Have you ever watched the unconscious energetic interactions between people, regardless of what they class themselves as? The human energetic field reaches quite a stretch in every direction, people are constantly interacting. You are currently energetically interacting with everyone in your house. As well as your neighbours. Several houses away if the energy's strong enough. The constant give and take and communication between people is so deep and complex that it's like watching the aurora australis (southern lights) all around you. But then I'm very visual. People are always using their energy in incredible ways, but for the majority of people, it's unconscious.

SoulWalker Wrote:

Rain Wrote:How many humans do you know actually *work* with their energy? It's not necessary for a human to use his energy to survive, whereas the same is not true for energy beings.

Have you ever watched the unconscious energetic interactions between people, regardless of what they class themselves as? The human energetic field reaches quite a stretch in every direction, people are constantly interacting. You are currently energetically interacting with everyone in your house. As well as your neighbours. Several houses away if the energy's strong enough. The constant give and take and communication between people is so deep and complex that it's like watching the aurora australis (southern lights) all around you. But then I'm very visual. People are always using their energy in incredible ways, but for the majority of people, it's unconscious.

Unfortunately, I currently lack the ability to see such a thing.

For the majority of the people, it's unconscious. Ok, so what happens when they regain consciousness? Does this attribute change?

I am not saying that humans are *unable* to work with energy, I am simply saying that humans don't typically *need* to do so in order to survive, and so, often, don't. Theoretically, if an energy being began residing within a human body, the fact that they used energy on a fundamental level gives a small edge, whether by experience or the simple desire to know it.

Rain Wrote:Unfortunately, I currently lack the ability to see such a thing.

I know of one other person who sees like I do, but other people have learnt different ways of perceiving it. If you have a lean towards hearing rather than seeing, it sometimes sounds like everyone's talking at once, really loudly, with lots of background noise.

Rain Wrote:For the majority of the people, it's unconscious. Ok, so what happens when they regain consciousness? Does this attribute change?

People do what they do. I worked the exact same way before I became aware of what I was doing but now I have more control and can consciously learn new tricks. That's the only difference I've found but others may have different experiences here.

Rain Wrote:I am not saying that humans are *unable* to work with energy, I am simply saying that humans don't typically *need* to do so in order to survive, and so, often, don't. Theoretically, if an energy being began residing within a human body, the fact that they used energy on a fundamental level gives a small edge, whether by experience or the simple desire to know it.

And what I was saying is that humans *do* need to do so in order to survive. Almost every human interaction is based on some form of energy exchange; the ones who are good at it are the ones who are successful. Attracting money, manipulating people, protecting what you have, and lots of other stuff is all affected by the energy we use and what we do with it. I have profound respect for the subconscious because until you become aware of energy, and even after it, your sub conscious is always manipulating the world in your favour, or according to what you believe it should be.

You could say that otherkin, vampires and what have you are more likely to become aware of energy because they're used to their system functioning slightly (or very) differently. You don't notice the way you walk until you become aware of what you're doing. If nothing happens to draw your attention to it, why would you even think about it?

Rain Wrote:Theoretically, if an energy being began residing within a human body, the fact that they used energy on a fundamental level gives a small edge, whether by experience or the simple desire to know it.

If we're assuming humans don't have built in instructions on how their energy works, then when it comes to conscious energy work something that has built in knowledge of the particulars of energy manipulation would probably have an edge, especially in versatility having more experiences than "being human". But if the human has been incarnated before then they would just as likely have the edge in knowing what the human energy system could do.


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Sorry!

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Pretty much, I agree with your standpoint. I (begrudgingly!) concede your point that there is a higher chance of them realizing they are using energy because the current way in which they use it is different from how they used it in the past. My own point was that, if energy beings are used to walking (working with energy), then doing so will be easier for them because they have experience in it, even if not all of the specifics match up. I *also* pointed out that certain beings will have a harder time using energy in a human body for the same reason -- if one is used to traveling on four legs, one will be typically try to keep to that as opposed to traveling on two.

But, then again, I'm also calling heavily upon my own experiences (and hold an acknowledged bias, accordingly). Before I "awoke", I couldn't do anything with my energy at all. Now that I know the feeling of "working" energy, I would akin it to having all of the energy networks heavy and solid, like iron -- impossible for me to move. As soon as I awoke, my energy began to flow through me so easily that it was very astonishing to me how I could have been unable to do it before. With that, I am assuming that humans do not have built in instructions as to how energy works... though there might have been a few conditions that made me exempt from the "average human" in the past. I can also confirm that my *senses* didn't change at the time, as I had been able to manipulate and feel energy outside of my body relatively well even before my "awakening". It's not as if I could suddenly feel my energy whereas before I could not -- there was a noticeable difference between the actual structure of the before and after.

I *have* seen and even experienced the unconscious relation of energy in everyday life firsthand. After I took in an incredibly high amount of energy, the next day at school, I quite literally got most everything I wanted without having to even ask or even think about asking, or even engage in conversation. It was the most bizarre day I've been through, especially since people are typically wary of me.

It doesn't matter what I am, I will never be able to do energy stuff. xD
I think it just depends on the person.

For anyone who doubts the ability or liklihood of humans doing advanced energy work, Google Astral Dynamics. By humans, for humans, and a hell of a lot more in depth than anything I have ever seen any otherkin write.

It may seem that humans don't get into energy work, but I think a lot of that is cultural bias. Western industrialized culture wouldn't admit to having chi if it bit them collectively in the butt. Other cultures aren't quite so dense. Not to say that everyone in those cultures know how to work with energy, but they're more likely to consider it, or consider that other people do. Lot of energy stuff comes from Chi Gong and Yoga and has been in continuous practice for hundreds if not thousands of years.

A former energy being might be more inclined than average to understand how energy works, but I don't think that means they have more innate ability or talent than a regular human. You still have to work within human limitations.