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Dragons and Angels Recognition
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Dragons and Angels Recognition
Does anybody have any theories for why dragons seem to, in many cases, recognize angelic names? Overall, heaven isn't known for having dragons around, and if they were around, one would think that more angels would recognize dragons. So how is the information getting to the dragons in the first place?

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2008-01-28 17:20
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Re: Dragons and Angels Recognition
Hmm not sure if this is helpful (nor am I insinuating anything) but some texts describe that when some angels fell they took on a dragon like form. A lot of depictions with Satan and Michael, Michael is smiting a large dragon, not another angel. Could be that simply some angels or celestials can take on other forms. I know I have several non humaniod forms, one of which is dragon like (though closer looking to a raptor or bird like lizard creature).

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2008-01-28 18:02
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I was looking over a book that depicted that one of the archangels takes the form of a golden dragon. Im not to sure Id put much stock in that book but it was certainly an interesting idea. Of course for me I've become rather skeptical of any sorts of writtien information when it deals with angels or fallen angels or things that occured then. Since most of it is just speculation in the first place I try not to take to much stock in it.

Of course to expand on Deros question, do all dragons have the same recognition or is it just a few? Cause if its only a very few who feel that way then perhaps dragons were at one point in time welcome in heaven, or even all dragon were welcome in heaven and maybe only a few chose to take the invitation and those are the ones feel this familiarity with angels. Meh just throwin some ideas around <!-- sSmile --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- sSmile -->
2008-01-28 18:46
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It could be that Dragons, as is a common theme in myths, are divine/connected to divine in some manner as well, and as such derive some sort of insight from this. As for more Dragons seeming to know Angels than the other way around, it could be that Angels interact more than Dragons. As an example there are 'lists' of Angels out there (whether true or not) while I don't believe there is so much of a similar list of Dragon.

I personally view myself as a strongly spiritual being, though more than likely seperate from both Angels and Demons (and I call myself Dragon). Considering I tend to at least be on comparable scale to those other entities however, interaction seems potentially likely, as well as observance. Dragons however wouldn't seem quite as 'approachable' as I imagine some angels would be, and if a Dragon were to approach something (considering possible shape shifting tendencies, though I don't think I see a lot of Dragons claiming that), they might also specifically take a less imposing type of guise, which may lead to Dragons actually being known, but not known to actually be one.

It could also simply be that Angels and Angelic names aren't too horribly unknown in a lot of human culture though too, and they are simply more likely to be recognized. Perhaps even more likely by Dragons, if they were to say, hoard knowledge in some sense or another. ^_^



As for Angels also 'being' Dragons as one aspect of it, the Seraphim are not entirely incomparable to Dragons by their traits. If I recall correctly, I believe the name even means something to the Extent of Firey Serpent, or is at least related to that connotation.

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2008-01-29 0:34
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Re: Dragons and Angels Recognition
Deros Wrote:Does anybody have any theories for why dragons seem to, in many cases, recognize angelic names? Overall, heaven isn't known for having dragons around, and if they were around, one would think that more angels would recognize dragons. So how is the information getting to the dragons in the first place?

to answer the first question, I'd have to ask another. how do HUMANS recognize Angelic names?
Usually, when an angel is famous enough for their name to become common knowledge, it gets around. Humans start naming their offspring after them (shudder), artists start using said names in...'depictions' that have nothing to do with the actual events and EVERYTHING to do with making money from the church they're selling their art to, etc etc. and because these names get slapped all over everything, they become easy to recognize.

take that same concept back a few eons. the second answer comes from where all the dragons were during the more...'intense' time periods of the Heavens and Earth. I'm sure all the dragons on Earth, and elsewhere, that were within hearing/sight range of any of the wars that happened Upstairs is going to get curious, go poking around, asking questions about who did what and when. Throw in the different sources of info (Messengers, Guardians, Psychopomps, Fallen, and other beings that traveled/can travel between the planes) and all their varied and biased points of view, and eventually all of the big names that we all recognize (Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Samael, Lucifer and Helel, etc.) will become so-called 'water cooler' topics for any being with a sentient consciousness. so, basically, when s**t goes down on a major scale, people find out and learn who was involved. Maybe the Dragons were just the most curious and the most capable, and therefore found out the most information (other than the angels and The Creator, of course.)

and what's this nonsense about the Heavens not being known for dragons!? i recall seeing more than my fair share, and seeing as how in those days i loved staring at anything pretty and trying my very best to play with it (cough cough Sahra cough), i think I'd remember something big, shiny, smooth, warm and cuddly that could fly.
besides, i knew one personally. *points at own face* <!-- sTongue --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- sTongue -->

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2008-01-29 20:18
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I think the names we know angel by are purely human invention and real angelic names are impossible for us as humans to know. Even celestials in humans for to know because our limits in this body in this life.

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2008-02-11 6:56
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My personal take on it is this - Angelics have crossed paths (and swords/claws) with every kin out there, dragons included. it makes total sence to me for dragons - whom generally have lived longer lives than other kins - would remember angelic names, and have had "translated" those names into human versions.

I have heard it said that angelics had all out conflicts with dragons on a, er, full species level, but i cannot vouch for this on my own, so i cant say its 100% true or 100% false (my personal recolections dont include such, i mean). if there is even an element of truth to this however (and id not be surprised if there is, all things considered) then that too would factor in to dragons remembering names...
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RKCoon Wrote:My personal take on it is this - Angelics have crossed paths (and swords/claws) with every kin out there, dragons included. it makes total sence to me for dragons - whom generally have lived longer lives than other kins - would remember angelic names, and have had "translated" those names into human versions.

I have heard it said that angelics had all out conflicts with dragons on a, er, full species level, but i cannot vouch for this on my own, so i cant say its 100% true or 100% false (my personal recolections dont include such, i mean). if there is even an element of truth to this however (and id not be surprised if there is, all things considered) then that too would factor in to dragons remembering names...

This is now officially a part of my world view. It feels right to me.

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