Demons And Fae: Similar or No?

Okay, feel free to move this to wherever. I just posted it here because it covers two completely separate "groups" of kin and I don't feel like cross-posting this to two different subforums.

This post made me think:

The Garnet Host Wrote:

simim23 Wrote:The more and more I hear about the "inner workings" of government buildings, the more and more I'd like to get a job in one.

But tours? Just checking them out? Sterile, bland, pristine... ordered. DX

Not so much for the military, in our experience - but they work in a less predictable operating environment.

If the office in question hasn't transitioned to electronic forms, you could have a lot of lovely fun with the paper forms. Back in the day, having various forms at hand was a great help, both practically and in terms of producing enough desk clutter to look productive.

It's a common habit of the government employees we know, to never throw away anything. That also has some opportunity for chaos, though first the employee in question would need to look back in zir piles of paper for something. And sadly, I think creative rearrangement in the wrong office would get labeled "potential terrorism" all too easily these days. T.T

We did, during our stint working for the government, consider designing a small cannon or trebuchet and glitter-filled projectiles, or sneaking in early/late to cover a coworker's desk with fake grass and make a miniature landscape of it. Unfortunately, we're too lazy for that sort of thing.

Our memories of the alfar indicate that we are as a race very rule-oriented, but also attentive to loopholes. Everyone knows who would like to throw whom out of power; the questions are when, through whom, and by what means. Add to that resentment that we're forced to live outside our paradigm here an overall inclination to above-normal curiosity within the system and childhood indoctrination that having authority on our side means we need fear no enemy, and you get a system with strong tendencies to trigger undesired (perhaps unforeseen, given the caliber of person we normally deal with in meatspace) consequences of others' behavior, find weaknesses in others' reasoning and push up against them regardless of whether we'd prefer them to change their position, and escalating drama with a well-placed and rational observation.

If we can't have the elvan Courts we remember, and if we're forced to live with sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, religious bigotry, and the like (never mind how elitist we are), we will d***ed well subvert every "normal" paradigm we can get our hands on in a way that provokes as little anger toward us as the messengers as possible. We don't need it, but we crave it, and this sort of retaliation is well documented as being part of Fae nature in general, including alfar nature.

-Shainin, providing your routine reminder that Fae can be rather like demons and vice versa, in some ways

Really, that had me going. When I first Awakened I thought my energy might be Fae, but in the end settled with "Demon" as a label because I didn't completely identify with Fae over Demons.

But, really, the energies I pick up from either/or are very similar.

Okay, like most of my threads I make, the topic is simple, the discussion is not.

-Do you perceive there to be similarity between Fae and Demonic/Chaotic/whatever energy?
-If so, how? If not, why not?

And any other little tangents you can think of.

Also: do you notice any similarities between "groups" of kin? Say, therians and dragons? Vampires and shapeshifters? These examples are random; do you have any relevant ones based on experience?

Pretty please, I don't need to see facts from wiki or citations posted, just "my experience has told me this," or "I've done this and this is what happened," etc. I don't want more nit-picky arguments. >.<

I think some fae are very chaotic, much like demons. Especially unseelie fae. They are commonly chaotic, tricksters in the more negative (not playful) sense. Also, many people believe succubi and inccubi are fae while others say they're demons...so there's some cross over for ya.

I think that therians and dragons are basically the same only dragons are non earthly creatures. Many people include mythical creatures under the therian heading, while others do not. I think they're essentially the same...a deep and intrinsic connection to an animal earthly or otherwise.

I think vampires can and are linked to just about every kintype out there as every type has individuals that are vampiric or are vampires. Same goes for polymorphs. While I often say polymorphs proper are energy beings by nature, there are many otherkin with multiple kintypes. Within the therian community there are polyweres. So if you don't think that polymorphs are technically energy beings with multiple physical manifestations, then they too span all kin types.

-Do you perceive there to be similarity between Fae and Demonic/Chaotic/whatever energy?
It depends on the fae. Phaedra tends to feel both demonic and Fae but it is merged so well I can't tell a difference.

Some fae are earthy and sweet, some are fiery and destructive, etc. Just like not all demons are chaotic or "Evil".


-If so, how? If not, why not?

I don't know how to explain it, honestly. I connect everything to an energy level now because of Phaedra, so I can't really explain better than a general "feel" of rightness.

She's not all demon, shes not all fae, she's both.

And any other little tangents you can think of.

Also: do you notice any similarities between "groups" of kin? Say, therians and dragons? Vampires and shapeshifters? These examples are random; do you have any relevant ones based on experience?

Vamps and emos remind me of each other =3 Had to say it.

I personally don't associate dragons with Therians. I believe therians are the same as say, animals native to other planets, but dragons I associate with other sentient beings. Therians tend to have a hard time communicating with humans, from what I have noticed- I mean, their true forms do. A wolf can't telepathically etc get its thoughts across to you, but a dragon can. I do however believe there some subspecies of dragons that ARE to me considered therians, although I call them something else. forgot the name at the moment. I consider them to be if they are small and pet-like, like a small dragon (not larger than 3 feet) I had when I was Maedra.

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Same with Angels and Demons ironically. It's like two sides of a mirror.

I do, in a sense, because my definition of "fae" people is people with an energy branching from the energy marking the nephilim.

Chaotic nature isn't a useful thing to me because human beings can be quite chaotic.

I also have no use for the terms seelie and unseelie. To me they are none other than the classic human practice of stereotyping, not to mention those concepts did appear until relatively recently.

I can see how the connection would be made, actually. If nothing else, fae- in legend- were typically very chaotic. As demons are considered beings of chaos, it makes perfect sense. Not to mention, when Christianity swept the British Isles, local god/desses and mythical beings were portrayed as demons in order to instill fear and give Christianity a better hold. So, with that in mind, it's quite plausible what were once fae were shifted into demons- provided you believe that the overall perception of humanity has an effect on the mythical world.

satyrs are often considered demons when they are in fact fae. so yes, i have noticed that there seem to be similarities. perhaps the line between kin types is not as strict as some people may like it - shadows and demons are often closely related (sometimes not at all), same goes for fae and demons, demons and fallen, dragons and angels, and i'm sure there are other kin types that overlap at some point.

simim23 Wrote:-Do you perceive there to be similarity between Fae and Demonic/Chaotic/whatever energy?
-If so, how? If not, why not?

Demonic, yes. Even the relatively orderly noble Fae (sidhe, alfar, etc.) are curious, like to "play" experimentally with novel things (other sentients included), and are versed in the fine art of tripping others up.

Chaotic, not necessarily - here it depends on the type of Fae. The intricate court structures of the noble Fae, in particular, are anything but chaotic, and at minimum Fae are generally subject to quirky rules about what they can and cannot do.

-Shainin

The Garnet Host Wrote:Chaotic, not necessarily - here it depends on the type of Fae. The intricate court structures of the noble Fae, in particular, are anything but chaotic, and at minimum Fae are generally subject to quirky rules about what they can and cannot do.

-Shainin

I actually forgot about that.

I remember looking into fae, now, and a lot of little things that many Fae will and will not do.

Is there any reason why those "quirky rules" exist?

there seemes to be both a fine line and a mixed line between demons and fae. When I think of the mixed line I think of the trendy anime art of butterfly winged elf/fae/angel people but there are those that have the artistic appeal to mix demons with fea-succubi-like entities. It is out there. I'm sure there are beings on the astral not known to humans floating around out there that are a mix yet there own spieces. leave it to a teenager to quote anime for a solution to your questions

simim23 Wrote:

The Garnet Host Wrote:Chaotic, not necessarily - here it depends on the type of Fae. The intricate court structures of the noble Fae, in particular, are anything but chaotic, and at minimum Fae are generally subject to quirky rules about what they can and cannot do.

-Shainin

I actually forgot about that.

I remember looking into fae, now, and a lot of little things that many Fae will and will not do.

Is there any reason why those "quirky rules" exist?

With respect to Fae in general, we don't know. Alfar have a lot of rules that are tied up with our ideas about honor, which I would guess are the product of social evolution, just like quirky human rules - don't eat this (because our tribe's rivals do and we don't want you getting too cozy with them at the dinner table), don't do that (because the person you're doing it to will kick your a** for interfering), etc.

Some may also be due to energetic sensitivity, which is our current theory regarding iron and other substances that repel Fae. We have no problem with iron, but we have to wonder if the human body has something to do with that.

-Shainin