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[For the record, I've been in the psych ward twice in the last few months and everything checks out]


I seem to have some sort of paranormal activity(personal/spirits) in my room, centered on myself. Flashes of light, full apparitions of humanoid figures, dreams(some seem to have external influence on them, most are normal), and other sorts of apparitions(animals, plants, and other assorted things). I believe these spirits to be connected to my nonhuman-ness, and not an area haunting..however I am intensely curious and wish to know more, I want more contact, more answers. So, I'm looking for ways to draw them out..

Parameter a) The apparitions only appear during the sleep/wake border when the brainwaves are wonky, and this state only lasts for a few seconds at most..hardly enough for anything substantial. If anyone knows of a way to extend the duration of this state, I welcome your suggestions.

Parameter b) Energy. I wonder if perhaps they require a source of energy(me?) to manifest. These things have occurred while my electronics are plugged in, as well as when I unplug them.(I experimented with this.) If there is some way I can "feed" these occurrences, I am also open to suggestions.

Parameter c) Communications..even through dreams, tend to be somewhat vague at best.. I was considering perhaps investing in a tape-recorder and attempt EVP sessions.. funds are limited at the moment, but it's an idea in the works. (I hope they've learned english!)

So, any suggestions? Have I overlooked anything?

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There are usually paranormal researchers in just about every state (in Louisiana, they're called LA Spirits). Probably if you could get one of those groups to check around your house and do some readings while you're not there, it could tell you something. From what I understand, they usually don't charge.
If they find something, then its probably spirits passing by. If they don't, or only find residual energy, then its probably just something you might have made subconsciously. I used to do that a lot.

If its spirits talking to you, or if you're making them, either way would be best to contact a medium, and they could more than likely tell you which it is, if you want a second opinion.

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Varkadevi Wrote:dreams(some seem to have external influence on them, most are normal),

I'm just wondering how you figure these apparitions are influencing your dreams. I mean, it's highly probable that you would in some way dream of these apparitions if they are what is currently bugging you.

Varkadevi Wrote:The apparitions only appear during the sleep/wake border when the brainwaves are wonky, and this state only lasts for a few seconds at most..hardly enough for anything substantial.

So how do you know it's not a situation of those sleep border "dreams"? Ya know, like the ones where you see yourself walking or something similar and all of a sudden you fall, only to jolt awake. The brain can do some odd things on the border of sleep, so I'm not sure I'd automatically assume it's apparitions.

Varkadevi Wrote:Energy. I wonder if perhaps they require a source of energy(me?) to manifest. These things have occurred while my electronics are plugged in, as well as when I unplug them.(I experimented with this.) If there is some way I can "feed" these occurrences, I am also open to suggestions.

Ghostywosties in general require energy in order to manifest so that they can be seen, felt, etc. Electrical stuff is usually the source of this energy, and so anything electrical will turn off, go wonky, etc. I doubt they're using you (assuming they're human spirits), but that's only because I've never heard of spirits using the living as an energy source. The more energy they can get, the more they can manifest, so you could try having all kinds of electronics on and around and see what happens.

Varkadevi Wrote:Communications..even through dreams, tend to be somewhat vague at best.. I was considering perhaps investing in a tape-recorder and attempt EVP sessions.. funds are limited at the moment, but it's an idea in the works.

EVP is an idea. So is contacting a paranormal investigation organization as Yoherz suggested. Many of them will check it out for the experience and won't charge. I'd look into it, as the findings won't be biased.

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Quote:I'm just wondering how you figure these apparitions are influencing your dreams. I mean, it's highly probable that you would in some way dream of these apparitions if they are what is currently bugging you.
It's possible, however I'll never have a definite answer unless I explore this possibility. Spirits being able to invade or otherwise influence dreams are not unheard of, even if they're doing it via some manner of suggestion.(Speaking in the ear to one's subconscious, similar to a form of hypnosis/those sham memory-recall people).


Quote:So how do you know it's not a situation of those sleep border "dreams"? Ya know, like the ones where you see yourself walking or something similar and all of a sudden you fall, only to jolt awake. The brain can do some odd things on the border of sleep, so I'm not sure I'd automatically assume it's apparitions.

It may be, however I'm taking the optimistic stance that this could be the lead that I'm looking for. The thing is, the medical community acknowledges this phenomena but they don't know what causes it exactly. It could be some extension of the dream cycle, or it could be that this state of the mind enables one to see the spiritual.

The thing with the paranormal investigation is that the people I presently have to live with probably wouldn't allow it, and I have OCD and would freak out if stranger were in my room.

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Quote:So how do you know it's not a situation of those sleep border "dreams"? Ya know, like the ones where you see yourself walking or something similar and all of a sudden you fall, only to jolt awake. The brain can do some odd things on the border of sleep, so I'm not sure I'd automatically assume it's apparitions.

I usually do something spiritual first. If that doesn't work, then I check scientifical.
If that fails, then I either go back to spiritual or get to thinking.

Quote:Ghostywosties in general require energy in order to manifest so that they can be seen, felt, etc. Electrical stuff is usually the source of this energy, and so anything electrical will turn off, go wonky, etc. I doubt they're using you (assuming they're human spirits), but that's only because I've never heard of spirits using the living as an energy source. The more energy they can get, the more they can manifest, so you could try having all kinds of electronics on and around and see what happens.

Not always. Some spirits have enough saved up energy that they can manifest at will, with little disturbance to anything else.
From what I've seen in scientific research, its believed that they simply have a different electromagnetic ...signature?, that interferes with them.
Plus, it would take time for them to be able to draw that energy and convert it into something they can use, even with the ability to do so. And it wouldn't explain constant manifestations in haunted houses and the like.

Quote:EVP is an idea. So is contacting a paranormal investigation organization as Yoherz suggested. Many of them will check it out for the experience and won't charge. I'd look into it, as the findings won't be biased.

I personally prefer to rely on a medium or some other form of spiritualist. Even young mediums tend to have more experience and more accurate....observations, than paranormal investigators.
To put it bluntly, it's like the difference between asking an otherkin about otherkin-ism, or asking someone who studies otherkin.

Quote: It's possible, however I'll never have a definite answer unless I explore this possibility. Spirits being able to invade or otherwise influence dreams are not unheard of, even if they're doing it via some manner of suggestion.(Speaking in the ear to one's subconscious, similar to a form of hypnosis/those sham memory-recall people).

Most spirits I know do direct energy...manipulation, in order to have an effect on people.
For example, when a ghost wants you out of their territory, they'll try to move your energy to make you feel an overwhelming fear. Some people cane ven feel it through a TV or even sometimes paranormal investigation shows.
One in specific, someone I was watching one with said that they were scared by it and changed the channel. I finished watching it, and it turns out that the ghost they were investigating was trying to get them to leave. Even went to the extent of hitting one of the investigators upside the back of their head, and made a physical appearance in another room mouthing "get out" over and over. Though, the investigators just kept trying to talk to it....didn't seem they got the hint....

But, in your case, if they aren't trying to scare you, then they're probably just passing by. Sometimes its temporary, sometimes its not.

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Yoherz Wrote:I personally prefer to rely on a medium or some other form of spiritualist. Even young mediums tend to have more experience and more accurate....observations, than paranormal investigators.

Here you're wrong. It is not a good idea to rely solely on a medium, because they aren't impartial. They expect to contact *something* so they will. Paranormal investigators are non-biased third parties that collect evidence and analyze it to see what it means. They don't go in with any preconceived notions and many call in mediums to see if their results can shine any new light on their evidence. Saying a medium is better than a paranormal investigator is like saying someone with X disease is better than a doctor when diagnosing themselves. Sure the person with the symptoms *might* have better insight, but the doctor will be able to tell exactly what's wrong and if it's a psychological placebo or a physical problem. The scientists are simply better suited if you want the "truth" of the situation.

Yoherz Wrote:To put it bluntly, it's like the difference between asking an otherkin about otherkin-ism, or asking someone who studies otherkin.

Except that isn't the same thing. Paranormal investigators have plenty of experience with spirits, etc. Just because they can't "talk" to them and understand them directly, does *not* mean that they aren't as good as someone who claims to be able to. In the spirit situation, neither party is a spirit or identifies as a spirit, so the two situations aren't the same...at all.

Yoherz Wrote:Most spirits I know do direct energy...manipulation, in order to have an effect on people.

And how do you know that they're spirits, and not something else or just constructs of your subconscious?

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I don't trust mediums, most of them charge for their services and only get paid if they find something, so I could never be sure they're not making something up just to get their money. It's a shame you had to rule out paranormal investigators though, they usually approach the subject in a scientific manner and even if they charge they get paid for their time not their results, so if they say they've found something you can be pretty sure it's there, and they'll probably have something for you to see or hear too, unlike mediums where you have to take their word for it.
Apparitions (I'm not calling them ghostywosties, not even for a moderator) usually have a reason for appearing over and over. Yes it's possible that a ghost may be 'passing through', but unless you've opened a gateway for the dead in your room it's unlikely that the traffic you believe you are experiencing is a different ghost each time.
Varkadevi Wrote:I believe these spirits to be connected to my nonhuman-ness, and not an area haunting
Why do you think they are connected to your non-human-ness rather than your human-ness?
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Interesting…

Having gone through similar things myself I’d say somebody wants to contact you , contact with spirits through a dream state is quite common , as is spiritual lights ( think of looking at the flash of a camera , but there no afterimage or blur or damage to the eyes )

Well first off the last thing you want to do is contact a paranormal investigations group …it’s a waste of time and lets be honest , who really wants a bunch of amateur Ghostbusters jumping about their bedroom ?

Second up…so called professional mediums .

Listen I trained at the same place as one of the supposedly best mediums in the UK today , the second money or celebrity comes into it ….that’s it , game over , they’re about as reliable as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest .

Truth be told about 90% of so called professional mediums are ether deluded , corrupted or just simply fake.

However …do you know any psychic’s ? as friends or acquaintances ? If so you might want to consider asking them to see if they can in some way in making contact , but only if you truly feel you can trust them and the golden rule is never give any information , its their job to tell you not the other way around .

If your going to go this alone ….tips.

Ok…you seem to be going alright with the dream route , so try focusing on that , before going to sleep ask these spirits to contact you …just speak out loud .

Have a note pad an pen nearby …

As soon as you awaken start writing whatever’s in your head or anything you remember .

A basic rule here is to take notes whenever possible .

Meditate and take naps in the room and always ask them to contact you and like I say take notes .

Dreams are actually an easy route to spirit contact and it’s a very common way for them to contact you .

Try this for a about a month , there’s no reason why it shouldn’t work so stick with this route first .

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Basically meaning whenever your going to sleep there , ask them to contact you , and write down the results when you wake up .

Mediate in the room and see if you get anything from that and again write down any results .

Try this for about a month and see where that takes you .
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Velvet Darkness Wrote:I'm not calling them ghostywosties, not even for a moderator

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Seraphyna Wrote:Here you're wrong. It is not a good idea to rely solely on a medium, because they aren't impartial. They expect to contact *something* so they will. Paranormal investigators are non-biased third parties that collect evidence and analyze it to see what it means. They don't go in with any preconceived notions and many call in mediums to see if their results can shine any new light on their evidence. Saying a medium is better than a paranormal investigator is like saying someone with X disease is better than a doctor when diagnosing themselves. Sure the person with the symptoms *might* have better insight, but the doctor will be able to tell exactly what's wrong and if it's a psychological placebo or a physical problem. The scientists are simply better suited if you want the "truth" of the situation.

I very strongly disagree.
If they're arrogant or misinformed, then yes, usually a medium will try to find something, rather than look around. Though, this is often on purpose, essentially since I recall one show where they took younger mediums to a haunted house, told them a ghost story outside and said things such as, "these spirits are strong and shouldn't be taken lightly" to scare them, and trick them into misreading for the sake of ratings.
And yes, the investigators are non-biased, but are reliant on their data to the point that they will call a place not haunted, even if there have been several encounters with multiple families and/or groups of people.

Quote:Except that isn't the same thing. Paranormal investigators have plenty of experience with spirits, etc. Just because they can't "talk" to them and understand them directly, does *not* mean that they aren't as good as someone who claims to be able to. In the spirit situation, neither party is a spirit or identifies as a spirit, so the two situations aren't the same...at all.

I have yet to see a paranormal investigation where they physically met ghosts, that wasn't made for ratings. And I don't mean where they have crew hiding around corners to scare them, I mean where they send them in with cameras, poke around the house, piss off whatever is there, as much as they can.

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Yoherz Wrote:Most spirits I know do direct energy...manipulation, in order to have an effect on people.

And how do you know that they're spirits, and not something else or just constructs of your subconscious?

Well, I'm not insane, not have ever been accused of such. But yes, there's always that chance.
Then again, there's also the chance that your otherkin-ism is merely a figment of your imagination, or a "construct of your subconscious", hm?

Velvet Darkness Wrote:I don't trust mediums, most of them charge for their services and only get paid if they find something, so I could never be sure they're not making something up just to get their money.

Yeah, I don't trust ones that charge. If you can, find one that does it for free, since they're usually more trustworthy.

Velvet Darkness Wrote:It's a shame you had to rule out paranormal investigators though, they usually approach the subject in a scientific manner and even if they charge they get paid for their time not their results, so if they say they've found something you can be pretty sure it's there, and they'll probably have something for you to see or hear too, unlike mediums where you have to take their word for it.

Only times I've ever seen them get paid, was for gas money if they had to travel out of town.

Velvet Darkness Wrote:Apparitions (I'm not calling them ghostywosties, not even for a moderator) usually have a reason for appearing over and over. Yes it's possible that a ghost may be 'passing through', but unless you've opened a gateway for the dead in your room it's unlikely that the traffic you believe you are experiencing is a different ghost each time.

Not always. I've had spirits that passed through my own home before, completely unprovoked.
I've had another case of a friend of mine in the UK, where he had spirit-like beings traveling around his room aimlessly. Turned out someone else was unknowingly making them not three blocks away from him.
There have even been cases of a haunted house where a portal was already there, but was unused until a short while (about 2 weeks) before they had called both a medium and investigator.

JDRage Wrote:Well first off the last thing you want to do is contact a paranormal investigations group …it’s a waste of time and lets be honest , who really wants a bunch of amateur Ghostbusters jumping about their bedroom ?

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JDRage Wrote:Second up…so called professional mediums .

Listen I trained at the same place as one of the supposedly best mediums in the UK today , the second money or celebrity comes into it ….that’s it , game over , they’re about as reliable as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest .

Truth be told about 90% of so called professional mediums are ether deluded , corrupted or just simply fake.

Again, I prefer ones that do it for free.
If I wanted one that charges, I could go to a renaissance fair and talk to the gypsy there. Probably get better entertainment, too.

JDRage Wrote:However …do you know any psychic’s ? as friends or acquaintances ? If so you might want to consider asking them to see if they can in some way in making contact , but only if you truly feel you can trust them and the golden rule is never give any information , its their job to tell you not the other way around .

Excellent point.
Giving information to a medium can easily misguide them, or make them look for something specific, rather than simply looking around, as I mentioned earlier.

JDRage Wrote:If your going to go this alone ….tips.

Ok…you seem to be going alright with the dream route , so try focusing on that , before going to sleep ask these spirits to contact you …just speak out loud .

Have a note pad an pen nearby …

As soon as you awaken start writing whatever’s in your head or anything you remember .

A basic rule here is to take notes whenever possible .

Meditate and take naps in the room and always ask them to contact you and like I say take notes .

Dreams are actually an easy route to spirit contact and it’s a very common way for them to contact you .

Try this for a about a month , there’s no reason why it shouldn’t work so stick with this route first .

Nothing I can't agree with here.
Assuming they're trying to contact her, it would work.
If they're passing by....might not work as well, but she should at least get some information.

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