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Books Of Magic
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Books Of Magic
Ok…simple question .

What has been the top three most influential books of magic and esoteric knowledge that you have ever read ?

( yes , i'm looking to fill up my bookshelves )

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2009-07-31 18:09
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Re: Books Of Magic
Try Frantz Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics and The Practice of Magical Evocation. They are fully translated in English as I am aware.
There are descriptions of basic things like astral entities, beings, energies, three principles and such.
He may write little bit quirky, but these books are dated from 1956.
2009-08-01 21:47
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Not really a book about magic but one that had a major influence on my understanding of energy work: "Wholeness Principle" by Stéphano Sabetti
2009-08-04 17:30
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Re: Books Of Magic
Any specific system?

The ones high on my list are anything of the original batch of Chaos Magick (Condensed Chaos, Prime Chaos by Phil Hine, and Liber Null & Psychonaut by Carroll), High Magic by Frater U.'.D.'. (mainly for his expanded Models of Magick), Book 4 by Crowley. Those are all slanted to western traditions before the new age stuff...appeared on scene. But if you're looking for specific fields, there can be others. (Yes, I know that's more than three)

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2009-08-07 2:59
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Re: Books Of Magic
Right now I’m going through as many magickal texts as I can …sort of getting them in batches

I’m interested in all branches , Shamanism , Norse Magick are branches I would find interesting , but I’m really looking for books that other people have found helpful , enlightening or useful …

I don’t practice myself , but it is something I’m considering , so beginner books are something I’d find very useful , something that would ease me into the practice of magick …as for which branch to follow ?

A branch ( rather root ) I would be very interested in , I don’t think exists anymore …if it ever did .

In a way , you could say Magick is a little like the Martial Arts , it has many styles and branches and if your experienced enough you can even make your own style , I’m sort of looking to see if there an original , the first martial art I suppose was simply making a fist and walloping some poor sod across the jaw , hehe I’m looking for the magickal equivalent of that <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

But seriously , I would like to avoid the fluffy bunny approach wherever possible , I’ve just been reading “True Magick by Amber K” , for all she has a nice flow in her writing and is very easy to read , I fully believe that her approach to wicca is lop-sided , personally …I feel I should follow the middle path ( I believe some people refer to this as “grey” Magick ) and I’ve noted that many of the writers of Wiccan texts try to be almost inhumanly good …

I have nothing against being good or putting positive energy to practical use , but I know I have to respect the duality of things , the positive and the negative , people like Amber K build a philosophy on purely the positive….its almost like a pro-positive thinking seminar and her idea’s on responsibility where something I found quite shocking to be honest , I mean perhaps she was confused , but I know a good number of people would have found her idea’s on this repulsive , irresponsible and even hurtful …anyway , enough about her.

Like I say anything for the novice and anything that people have truly found helpful.
2009-08-08 7:43
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JDRage Wrote:In a way , you could say Magick is a little like the Martial Arts , it has many styles and branches and if your experienced enough you can even make your own style , I’m sort of looking to see if there an original , the first martial art I suppose was simply making a fist and walloping some poor sod across the jaw , hehe I’m looking for the magickal equivalent of that <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

I understand what you mean about wanting to get back to basics, but I don't think your search on that line will help.

As you say, punching someone in the face was the start of martial arts . . . but some guy in Korea punched someone else on the nose, some bloke in China kicked someone else in the shin, some other guy somewhere else did something else. All unrelated. Not all martial arts have a common ancestor or route, and given how big Earth alone is, I can guarantee you that not all "magic" is descended from the same ideas.

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2009-08-08 16:25
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Very true …I just worded this poorly .

In essence , all magic comes from energy …I mean I suppose at its roots , magick is the manipulation of energy , sure it can be many different kinds of energy , but in the end its still energy …

In saying its like the Martial arts , well you have Karate , then you have a the Korean branch , the Japanese branch as well as others , you have wushu , you even have styles that are heavily integrated into religion such as shaolin kung fu , you even have forms that don’t necessarily get used for combat , capoeira for instance , which is a functioning combat form as well as a fabulous dance .

In saying the basis is simply making a fist and throwing a punch , well yes …but I don’t mean intent , there are lots of reasons you can make a fist and throw a punch , it can be offensive or defensive , it can even be a part of self discipline or even for fun or sport , so I don’t mean throwing a punch as a violent act , I’m just stating the physical manifestation of forming the fingers into a balled fist , retracting and lifting the arm and pushing forward with force .

Actually on a side note , its remarkable how similar martial arts and magick can be , even right down the manipulating the flows of energy …

Branches of magick seem to form “culturally” but at its roots , it’s the same thing , some magickal systems have developed into fully functioning religions …hey it even gets used for fun , I’m still amazed that…who was it ?..the Parker brothers ( toy maker ) made Quija boards as a game for kids , completely un-heard of in the UK , even though the Quija board is in common use .

So I’m wondering if there’s a common early branch or systems from long ago pre-Babylonian maybe something from the time of Hamoukar or Çatalhöyük or even from before those times , not that I know a jiggley puff about those ancient city’s anyway *shrugs*
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JDRage Wrote:Very true …I just worded this poorly .

In essence , all magic comes from energy …I mean I suppose at its roots , magick is the manipulation of energy , sure it can be many different kinds of energy , but in the end its still energy …

In saying its like the Martial arts , well you have Karate , then you have a the Korean branch , the Japanese branch as well as others , you have wushu , you even have styles that are heavily integrated into religion such as shaolin kung fu , you even have forms that don’t necessarily get used for combat , capoeira for instance , which is a functioning combat form as well as a fabulous dance .

Capoeira was taught as a dance form as that was the only way they could get away with teaching it. By all we know about the form if the slaves, etc who first developed it had taught it openly they would have died.

JDRage Wrote:In saying the basis is simply making a fist and throwing a punch , well yes …but I don’t mean intent , there are lots of reasons you can make a fist and throw a punch , it can be offensive or defensive , it can even be a part of self discipline or even for fun or sport , so I don’t mean throwing a punch as a violent act , I’m just stating the physical manifestation of forming the fingers into a balled fist , retracting and lifting the arm and pushing forward with force .

Which of course led to kicks and throws and choke holds and the various submission moves in the various martial arts. From what I know of the martial arts there is a hell of a lot of intent behind all of that. It is focus on the moment and the move. Yes there may be differing underlying philosophies in the various arts. Yes the forms change. But there is intent. If there was a moment when the first 'punch' was thrown harmless in the air jsut to learn the motion it became a punch when the intent became to hit something. Whether or not it did is another matter altogether.

But if you go back before that, before that it was a punch whenever the motion first was made, well, at that point it is meaningless. It is a motion of some forming. As connected to a punch as a baby's grasp on your finger is the the act of choking someone with your hand.

JDRage Wrote:Actually on a side note , its remarkable how similar martial arts and magick can be , even right down the manipulating the flows of energy …

Branches of magick seem to form “culturally” but at its roots , it’s the same thing , some magickal systems have developed into fully functioning religions …hey it even gets used for fun , I’m still amazed that…who was it ?..the Parker brothers ( toy maker ) made Quija boards as a game for kids , completely un-heard of in the UK , even though the Quija board is in common use .

Actually, before there were oujia boards there were spirit boards in the UK. They were a somewhat popular parlor game during the Victorian era.

JDRage Wrote:So I’m wondering if there’s a common early branch or systems from long ago pre-Babylonian maybe something from the time of Hamoukar or Çatalhöyük or even from before those times , not that I know a jiggley puff about those ancient city’s anyway *shrugs*

If there is a universal root, a commonality that ties all magic branches together you have to go back further than we have writen records. As far as we can tell it would need to predate the cities and the city-states. If there was something that old it is lost to us in pretty much any meaningful way. Go far enough back and all we ahve are relics and carvings and sculptures and tools. And guesses. A lot of highly educated guesses. And what we do have doesn't much lend itself to forming a common early branch of magic.

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Ok…One: Capoeira.

Capoeira ..lets see, ok its Afro-Brazilian , a mixture of games , music , dance and martial arts , created by slaves in brazil , brought over from Africa …circa...ooh 1600’s , seen mainly as entertainment from plantation owners , used as fitness regimes , combat training and even entertainment by the slaves , hence the styles of capoeira dance …

In fact there has been recorded cases where slaves have used capoeira in combat during revolts , sadly few revolts where successful , the slaves had capoeira ( plus various farming implements of which they had access to ) unfortunately its no good against musket fire or in a few cases trained military musketeers.

Two : Martial Arts / Magick

*ahem*…its called an analogy , the formation of intent ? Will made manifest ?

I’m not referencing anything other than that , choke holds , throws and submission moves ( even kicks to some degree ) fall squarely into the category of styles of combat , or in other words “learned fighting styles “ , its counter point in reference to magick would fall into “branches of magick “

Is it really that hard to grasp ?…look at it like a tree , “a tree of magick” and “a tree of martial arts” , every branch on a tree represents a specific branch in martial arts / magick , the comparative “root” ( before styles / branches ) of martial arts ..is simply making a fist …why a fist ?

Because humankind are smart bipeds that adapt and learn , they fashion and form tools , but at the very beginning what tools did they have ?….their hands !…they didn’t use their feet to hunt and forage for food , they used their hands , and thus …it begins , they adapt , they learn , they form and use tools , systems of fighting are born , etc, etc , etc…

So…if the fist is the root of martial arts ( as both magick and martial arts ( think trees ) developed in similar fashions )…what’s the root of magick ? How did they first manifest magick ?

Three : Quija boards

Again you seem to have missed the point , the parker brothers manufactured them as “Toys” , no other company has done this outside of the united states , and it was originally called a “talking board” in Victorian England , when it caught on during the great spiritualist craze founded and hyped by the Society for Psychical Research, founded in England in 1882 , it was more commonly known as a spirit board then , cant say when the “Quija” name was coined , but it sound similar to a more Original name “Fuji” originally “ writing with a planchette “ or “planchette writing” back…I think around 1100BC in china , its theorised that the actual “Letter Board” came about due to a lack of paper or material to write with as the first form was just with a planchette ….BUT!….truth be told we don’t know what the original word for the “planchette” even is , as I don’t think that term was coined until the 1800’s ….by ?

A guy called planchette …a French spiritualist I think , re-invented the idea , by sticking a pen / pencil in the planchette and having it write on paper ( which was a lot more common ) , time frame ? ..best guess , early to mid 1800’s

And would you believe it ?!?…crazy Americans thought that would make a good toy as well , and sold it as such in common high street book shops all over the place …and once again ! , the “lettered board “ took over in popularity over the normal planchette, I guess it is just more convenient *shrugs*

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Four : the roots of magick

Yes…that’s why I’ve mentioned two of the earliest city’s in the world , considering that we have civilisations such as the Babylonians and the Assyrians , they not only kept records of their own events , but also wrote extensively on past cultures , if it wasn’t for past cultures keeping detailed records of their own past cultures , we wouldn’t have such magickal tomes as “ The Key’s of Solomon “ and other works , and we most certainly wouldn’t have reference to such hidden tomes as the classic “Book Of Power”

Magickal texts are most often books such as Grimoire’s or to coin a modern term “ Book Of Shadows “ , which just basically means a collection of information set forth in a tablet ,scroll , tome or book.

Supposedly , the earliest so far , is the book of shadows …of only part of which has been found , but even this supposedly makes mention of even older texts .

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JDRage Wrote:In a way , you could say Magick is a little like the Martial Arts , it has many styles and branches and if your experienced enough you can even make your own style , I’m sort of looking to see if there an original , the first martial art I suppose was simply making a fist and walloping some poor sod across the jaw , hehe I’m looking for the magickal equivalent of that <!-- sWink --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- sWink -->

I understand what you mean about wanting to get back to basics, but I don't think your search on that line will help.

As you say, punching someone in the face was the start of martial arts . . . but some guy in Korea punched someone else on the nose, some bloke in China kicked someone else in the shin, some other guy somewhere else did something else. All unrelated. Not all martial arts have a common ancestor or route, and given how big Earth alone is, I can guarantee you that not all "magic" is descended from the same ideas.

Actually odd thing I’ve noted , the further back you go with magickal texts , the more complex they become , not really sure how to interpret that as you’d think earlier forms would have been simpler ..

But this might suggest a longer lineage , conventional history would of course dispute that , because that takes it back into pre-recorded history ( before such complex ideas supposedly existed ) , but its still an interesting idea …
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