Azazel and the Watchers

I wonder if any of you ever remember anything about Azazel and the Watchers? I mean, memories or knowledge beyond what said in the Bible and Books of other religions. Say, do you remember walking with Azazel before he fell? What was your impression? Were you one of the Watchers and what have you and your companion done actually? I want to learn more about that part of the history but I am rather doubtful whether they fell "because they had taken human women as wives". It sounds quite stupid to me.

Thoughts?

Unfortunately, even just having a human lover is a no-no for angels. I don't know why; it seems absolutely silly to me, as well. I do know that my newest angelic romantic interest -- yes, there are two now -- was punished for certain things that recently happened between her and myself in one of my dreams. It truly sucks and does not make sense, but there it is.

As for Azazel . . . he was something of a loner, as far back as I can recall; but that's all I remember as of right now.

~ Ashaiel

before my time, old timers...

perhaps, apprentice, 'falling' was a necessary choice...in order to give/receive the love of a mortal/corporeal being. it's difficult to be enamored with something that's on a different wavelength...and to long for someone that cannot be touched. the longing then, may cause a desire to become (excuse me) 'lower'...to the point of some kind of tangibility (to what extent, i can't accurately say...only guess....). it's no secret that angels are quite passionate, when that passion turns towards something more physical...it's not unlikely for the angel to move towards such. from there you can guess a sequence of events...

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well actually i'm in your boat, apprentice, that such a fall isn't a punishment (others that have fallen were, but the ousting just seemed a bit more severe). it's moreso a natural consequence...moreover, is being alloted to transubstantiate towards a lover really sound like a punishment? only problem is getting back ain't easy lol.

so the question i'm posing is, did they fall in love with their loves and then fall as a result of said love? or did they fall to be with their loves, who they already loved, but couldn't love in the way a lover should..............love

(why is the rum gone?)

as a rather young light, i wasn't around during the time of that particular mass falling (not to be confused with other mass fallings). well, i was around, just not around here...funny story............NEway....i haven't worked with azazel but as a watcher he should be quite accessible, not to sound ridiculous but have you tried just asking? as you're an angelkin, i imagine you would have the wherewithal to.

Honestly, I have some concepts/memories already. What I didn't try is to gather the memories and thoughts of others so to match my own. I found that not many people talk about this angel and his army.

And, Ashaiel's saying that "he was something of a loner" resonates well. I have just the same impression.

Well I've always thought it was a little more complicated than the story tells (the story tells us that they wanted to make a super race/army and that's why they decided to bed human women) Was it as simple as love, or even lust? Sure when you're immortal the temporary beauty of a mortal life (like a fragile flower, that you can teach to wear make-up and tempt) must have been damned appealing but they chose to put that love/lust what have you above their love of God, and that's a big no-no. I do think that there's more to the story, but I'm fuzzy on the details and my timelines all screwed up, what do you remember?

Angel Apprentice Wrote:I wonder if any of you ever remember anything about Azazel and the Watchers? I mean, memories or knowledge beyond what said in the Bible and Books of other religions. Say, do you remember walking with Azazel before he fell? What was your impression? Were you one of the Watchers and what have you and your companion done actually? I want to learn more about that part of the history but I am rather doubtful whether they fell "because they had taken human women as wives". It sounds quite stupid to me.

Thoughts?

The BNY are one of the only Judeo-Christian Angels that I've really had much experience with, outside of this time. They did Fall, for the taking of the "daughters of men" but what was the purpose behind the Fall is the better question. The BNY had to Fall in order to do what ShMYChZH had to, start the rebellion, and bring knowledge to the people of Hermon. I remember more of ShMYChZH than Azazel personally. Azazel was a lonerish-type, as said, but it wasn't because of any fault of his really, he was just very "shielded" and focused on his job, to the point of not realizing the people around him, unless he was needed. After the Fall he lighted up considerably though.

Why do you find the idea of the Fall being around their wives to be stupid though?

Just as a chime in, i know ive heard this paticular name someplace before, but screwed if i know where from, or who....

RKCoon Wrote:Just as a chime in, i know ive heard this paticular name someplace before, but screwed if i know where from, or who....

Azazel is one of the more "popular" Fallen Angels, so his name gets tossed around a lot. Also if you've seen the movie Fallen, or read...something by Gaiman, I forget once, he comes up there. I'm sure he's been used in a lot of other media too.

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RKCoon Wrote:Just as a chime in, i know ive heard this paticular name someplace before, but screwed if i know where from, or who....

Azazel is one of the more "popular" Fallen Angels, so his name gets tossed around a lot. Also if you've seen the movie Fallen, or read...something by Gaiman, I forget once, he comes up there. I'm sure he's been used in a lot of other media too.

Good Omens. He has a cameo mention.

Never heard of the movie, sorry