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Awakening Contherians (Con-otherkin)?
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Awakening Contherians (Con-otherkin)?
I've recently heard of the term contherian (human and animal fully balanced and thus no unexpected shifting) and I was wondering if people could awaken as contherians (or con-otherkin for those not therian)? Obviously this would be a more difficult awakening process. Being already in balance would mean not searching for 'what's wrong with me', only finding a reason for being different. Not having a clear separation between what's human and what's not would also make it difficult to pin down the what other animal or creature is mixing with the human.

My questions are, does this seem possible, and has anyone ever experienced it?

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I dont see why it would make it more difficult to figure out what you were... My viewing of the world has been of a shinoar/human mindset since the first day of my awakening, and I had *full*, intense, and constant phantom-body feelings for the first 2 years. I knew immediately what I was thanks to that. And while as I said I view the world as equal mix human/shinoar, I have little problem distinguishing what comes from my humanity, and what comes from the shinoar. But even someone like that can still wonder "what's wrong with me?" because it's obvious that it is *not* normal to be feeling that way. I spent the first 4 years pondering mild insanity before finally shrugging and saying that if this is insanity, I can still function in society so it is not harmful.

One aspect though is that while I have a "chronic" set of phantom bits, and the mindset, it *can* increase in intensity. So while I don't go from "mostly human" to "RAWR DRAGON!", the ratio of humanity to shinoar can and does vary depending upon the situation I am in.
2008-05-01 15:22
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Re: Awakening Contherians (Con-otherkin)?
I think what she meant was more along the lines of can other types of Otherkin (elves, dragons, angels, demons, etc.) be con-(insert 'kin type) like a therian can be a contherian. While most of us here are pretty intune with our 'kin types, I don't know that an elf would experience shifting the same way a therian would, in fact I rather doubt it. I can't say for sure in regards to the fantastical critters like dragons, unicorns or gryffins, but I've always seen shifting as a strictly therian thing. (And unless it's an entire phantom body, I don't consider phantom limbs to be a type of shift since they usually only occur in parts.) Now that's not to say that the other 'kin types can't experience shifts, but how would an angel experience a mental shift into their angel self? They're still both physically human so there wouldn't be that much change since they're of the same basic makeup whereas an animal and human are different biologically.

And if someone is a contherian, I'm not sure how an awakening would go as they'd simply be used to their balanced mindset from the beginning. There probably wouldn't be a "lightbulb click" where things fell into place because as a con-insert 'kin type, the person would simply always be like that and not know the difference. I think it's much more probable for someone to become a contherian later in their lives once they've adjusted to the initial experience of being both human and animal. But as for being con-insert 'kin type and realizing it later? I think it'd be much more difficult as the mindset wouldn't be noticebly different and thus there wouldn't be any conscious notice of "I don't fit in, I think/feel different, why?", etc. Realizing that you're a con-insert 'kin type after you already know that you're Otherkin is much more likely IMO.

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Who said angels are physically human? In fact, wasn't one set described as being lion-like? The common imagery is just that. Humans trying to make sense of the messengers of a deity. Wings are symbols of freedom, power, and status as messenger after all.

The mentality however....

That's where the con-whatever comes in in my mind. Therians probably have the strongest discord, being in a sapient body and yet partially residing in a non-sapient mindset. The shinoar, while sapient, had a drastically different and more "feral" view of the world. Thus, I view the world with a skew towards that attitude and while I have meshed the human and shinoar into a working whole, it still has the potential for discord. I guess to me it boils down to the subtle differences between "I AM a shinoar" vs "I was this and still feel like one." *shakes fist at otherkin terminology*
2008-05-01 16:29
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Shiari Wrote:Who said angels are physically human? In fact, wasn't one set described as being lion-like? The common imagery is just that. Humans trying to make sense of the messengers of a deity. Wings are symbols of freedom, power, and status as messenger after all.

Because right now, they ARE physically human. I'm physically human and you're physically human in this world, right now. I don't think it would be as much of a switch because an angel is physically human but also spiritually (or whatever term you prefer) still roughly human-shaped. Whereas a dragon is physically human but spiritually (or whatever term you prefer) dragon-shaped and completely different. A dog is not anywhere close to being human-shaped, is it? Thus, why angels (as an example) appear more human (at least in the Judeo-Christian idea of angels which is all I really know). The same as elves are physically similar to humans. So I don't think any Otherkin, save for the therians and possibly the fantastical animals would experience this or shifts.

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2008-05-01 16:37
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Re: Awakening Contherians (Con-otherkin)?
I'm not entirely sure what the question is, but I can vouch that I am always a shadow, I do not have shifts, I feel my shadow appendages on a constant basis (though their intensity does wax and wane) and while my awareness of the world around me is different when in a shadow dimension than when on Earth in the physical, my mind and identity are always shadow.

Just, shadow who happens to currently live in a human body.

I don't see this as having any particular difficulties regarding awakening.

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2008-05-01 17:33
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Archer Wrote:I don't see this as having any particular difficulties regarding awakening.

The hard part with first being a contherian and then awakening is that a contherian is always integrated with their human and animal mindsets. There is no shifting of perception, or any other type of shifting. So wouldn't it be hard, if not impossible, for someone to awaken to their Otherkinness if they're a contherian? They would simply "be" themselves and wouldn't notice an awakening if one were to happen. In that sense, would a contherian even have an awakening experience at all?

Here's the breakdown of what a contherian is from sonne spiritwind on the werelist:
sonne spiritwind Wrote:Contherianthropy: this term was defined initially by Lion Templin in 1997 with his essays on the subject, and the word derived from the Latin “constas” meaning unchanging. It came about in controversy at the time from people in the community claiming that it was mandatory for therians to shift, but Lion Templin’s term of contherianthropy brought about a concept that was new and is now widely accepted in the therian community.

That concept is that a therian can be so integrated with his/her ‘animal aspect’ (regardless of the number of “theriotypes”, per se) that the therian does not shift, instead they remain in a “constant” humanimal mindset. And thus contherians are also recognized by the consequential effect of that full mental integration: they do not mental shift (to their ‘animal aspect’, for lack of there being anything to “shift into”). However, contherians have too often been defined by their lack of shifts rather than by their full humanimal integration that causes an incapacity for therianthropic mental shifts (this may also, in some or all cases, extend to phantom shifts with the animal phantom sensations, if any, remaining constant instead of temporary and shifting).

There is, though, a lot of confusion, misuse, and some controversy over the exact definition of this term as applied to an individual’s therianthropy, which should be kept in mind if used to describe one’s personal therianthropy. The definition of a “mental shift” is not well defined, regardless of what definition I have come across, and thus it’s difficult to define what constitutes (in experience beyond words) what is not mental shifting. I won’t be the one to make that call for individuals.

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Re: Awakening Contherians (Con-otherkin)?
The majority of Otherkin that I have encountered are more or less "contherian" in nature and it didn't seem to inhibit them. I believe this may be just making something out of nothing. Being a non-shifting entity doesn't necessarily effect anything else.

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Elinox Wrote:
Archer Wrote:I don't see this as having any particular difficulties regarding awakening.

The hard part with first being a contherian and then awakening is that a contherian is always integrated with their human and animal mindsets. There is no shifting of perception, or any other type of shifting. So wouldn't it be hard, if not impossible, for someone to awaken to their Otherkinness if they're a contherian? They would simply "be" themselves and wouldn't notice an awakening if one were to happen. In that sense, would a contherian even have an awakening experience at all?

Perhaps I should rephrase.

If I drink 10 cans of Red Bull and pull and all nighter, I have no difficulties awakening. I was awake to start with.

If you define "awakening" as "realising you aren't entirely human", then having your otherness switched on permanently means you were, effectively, on Red Bull and up all night and so there is no awakening in the first place.

On the other hand if you define "awakening" as "the process of learning details and gathering information about who you are", then for what you term a contherian it's a relatively constant process with the benefit of you knowing what you are and so often having an idea what direction to look in.

Either way, I don't see any particular difficulties as a result.

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2008-05-01 21:16
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Elinox Wrote:
Archer Wrote:I don't see this as having any particular difficulties regarding awakening.
The hard part with first being a contherian and then awakening is that a contherian is always integrated with their human and animal mindsets. There is no shifting of perception, or any other type of shifting. So wouldn't it be hard, if not impossible, for someone to awaken to their Otherkinness if they're a contherian? They would simply "be" themselves and wouldn't notice an awakening if one were to happen. In that sense, would a contherian even have an awakening experience at all?
Actually, That would depend on how you'd define "awakening" (as Archer pointed out).

You might notice that there's a lot of otherkin out there that feel they've always been "awake", myself included. So.. there might not be an awakening in the case of a con-anything as they're already awake.

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